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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AngryPurpleCyclops" data-source="post: 4698263" data-attributes="member: 82732">More drivel and only accurate because you're intent on stilting the playing field with EVERY assumption.You're completely devoid of any sense of propriety.I don't think we've ever had 5 encounters in a day.  This is only accurate if a large percentage of your encounters are easy.  5 is certainly not average.  Many days might have 1-2 encounters.  On an easy encounter not only is your figure for number of hits too high, you're still using "average" hits per encounter as a fixed number which artificially favors shield yet again.  On an easy encounter shield doesn't matter and you wouldn't use shield of faith either.  Lets count the errors shall we.  First, you MUST use attacks and not hits or else you favor shield.  Easy encounters don't even matter so blocking an attack in a combat where you got hit 1-3 times likely has almost zero impact on pc survival.  You assume that shield of faith will be employed in an encounter lasting 10 rounds and once again take the 3 hits number.  You also imply that the bad guys only get 40 attacks in 10 rounds.  This is idioticly low or else you've simply never played the game.  Do you employ your dailies in easy encounters?    even given your ridiculously stilted assumptions EVERY one of which favors shield some of them massively, this is the best you came up with to support the words "solidly more potent"?  You have no interest in the truth or finding a mathematically correct answer to a problem.  Of course the party is going to be attacked at least 10-12 times each in an encounter where you're deploying this daily.  I'm beginning to think you have a learning disorder.  The shield number is obscenely high because you based it on 5 encounters per day EVERY day.  I used google to find threads on this topic on 4 different forums.  The vast consensus of players put the high end of encounters per day at 4 unless you're facing lots of easy encounters.  This means that your assumption of 5 encounters per game day not only is 200% above average, it totally ignores that the number isn't constant and only in the major battles does it even matter which spell out performs.  As I stated above easy encounters simply don't matter for the real utility of this spell, because no one gets killed by easy encounters and we're supposed to be figuring out if shield is over powered.  Overpowered really is only relevant in how shield or shield of faith changes the outcomes of encounters.  In a major encounter the pc's might sometimes field 100+ attacks.  60-70 is a pretty good number to use.  If you assume that the cleric reserves this spell for when most of the creatures are AC hitters we can knock this down by 10-25% at most not 44% as you would like.  Even if you use only 50 attacks vs AC the number blocked is 5 attacks per day.  If there were only two encounters on that day, shield can block at most 2 attacks (slightly more if you want to factor in the next round bonus which is about a 5-10% chance per use) This means that even if you take what I would consider the low end of shield of faith utility it's possible it outperformed shield by 250%.  I've certainly been in combats where shield of faith blocked 8-10 or possibly more attacks.only in the deluded fantasy land of your mind.as it is a substandard use of shield.Only if we accept your assumptions as realistic and they're simply not.  your math is bad and your understanding of distributed probability is nonexistent.  You simply can't assume 5 encounters every day and x number of hits every encounter.  blah blah blah, it's your ridiculous assertions and almost obsessive off topic tangents that drove this bus to the crazy place it wound up.  I have to resign myself that you don't really care what the right answer is to a question you're totally interested in "winning" even if you have to lie, cheat and steal to make that happen.</blockquote>

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