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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 4702834" data-attributes="member: 2011">True. However, 5 is not the upper limit, it was just how far I took it out. Obviously, a PC could get hit more often (if the opponents are minions, if the PC gets healed a lot, if the foes roll wimpy damage, etc.).But, there is probably some practical upper limit like 8 for most encounters (i.e. if hit 8 times in an encounter, most PCs will fall in most encounters, even with heals).If one were to extend this out to a limit like 8, Shield starts looking nicer. However, most Wizard players probably wouldn't stick around for 8 hits if they could help it and I suspect anything over 5 is rare, at least for a Wizard.Agreed. That is a Pro Second Chance point.Also agreed.I think encounters per day is a group type metric. For example, DMs who want to avoid grind and create fewer tougher encounters might see a shift towards Shield utility over Second Chance (due to the fact that Wizards will probably get successfully hit more often in a tougher encounter). But, that also shifts in favor of Shield of Faith over Shield due to having fewer encounters per day.Btw, have you seen Druid Barkskin? That is something we should be able to compare to Shield. Shield kicks Barkskin's butt, especially at low level. But the "can be cast on any ally" can throw a real monkey wrench into the real utility of Barkskin which the math just might not show adequately.</blockquote>