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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 1376504" data-attributes="member: 114">My highest level character is a sorcerer (just hit 9th) and I have to tell you that I'm a much more valuable asset to the party than either of the two wizards who are with us.In the game I DM'd the 8th level sorcerer was far more useful to the party than the 8th level wizard.Before about 8th level the sorcerer seems a little underpowered, but by the time 8th is reached they can cast their useful 3rd level spells about 8 times should they wish. Dispel magic didn't work? try again and again! Whole party needs to fly? Done!The sorcerer never has wasted spell slots, the wizard often does. The sorcerer is also the master of metamagic. Mine has still spell, silent spell and empower spell (alongside leadership - a great feat for sorcerers with their charisma). I never have to fear being caught by silence because I can still cast any of my spells that I want to. If the wizard had used one of his fourth level slots to prepare silenced dispel magic (he hasn't yet), and that failed to dispel the silence, what is he going to do next?To my mind the one advantage that the wizard really gets is in item creation. This is also campaign dependent because of time allowed, but if a 5th level wizard crafts a wand of fireballs he can then use that promiscuously until it runs out and he can make a higher level one for the challenges he then faces. Sorcerers are far worse at making magic items because they don't have access to the wide range of spells needed to make a wide range of items.Certainly on the "equal fun" level I'd say that sorcerers have been equal fun to play (once past 3rd level at any rate!)I'd also say that although sorcerers appear to be ideal for beginners, they are actually a huge trap for beginners, because it is very easy to end up with a lot of spells that are not generally usable. Picking a decent array of spells for the sorcerer is quite a tricky thing IMO.Cheers</blockquote>

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