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Is Sorcerer the weakest 3.5 base class now?
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<blockquote data-quote="Tzarevitch" data-source="post: 1382160" data-attributes="member: 1792"><p>The sorcerer is unbeatable <em>if</em> he has spells that are useful in that situation. The wizard can at least swap spells if he has to, given a bit of time. The sorcerer is plain stuck if he as the wrong spells for the situation and there is NOTHING he can do about it short of scrolls, wands and staves. Add to this the fact that he is more dependent on metamagic to increase his versatility than any other spellcaster and yet gains no bonus metamagic feats. Frankly I like the sorcerer concept but it is badly designed and very neglected.</p><p></p><p>That the designers apparently arrived at the conclusion that a wizard's arcane preparation and smaller number of spells per day PLUS 4 metamagic feats, is equal in value to the sorcerer's very small list of spells that he can spontaneously cast. I disagree that that is the case. </p><p></p><p>The ability to cast a small number of spells per day lots of times is not flexible it is repetitive. A useless spell that your can cast umpteen times per day is still a useless spell. Everyone points to the example of the wizard who arrives in a situation with the wrong spells prepared. I've got news for you. The sorcerer falls prey to that FAR more often. The wizard can at least attempt to modify his spells based on the situation. Also, if you face a recurring enemy who figures out what spells you know, you are screwed because you can't change tactics. </p><p></p><p>Metamagic (particularly the Energy Substitution feat) is the sorcerer's only hope at versatilty but then the get shafted in terms of bonus feats. To top it off, the sorcerer cannot Quicken his spells either. </p><p></p><p>The wizard has the advantage of flexibility and bonus feats, the sorcerer only has repitition on his side. Honestly, I can't say what I think is needed to improve socerers compared to their arcane brethren (wizards) but <em>something</em> is needed. They should at least get the same bonus feats that wizards do. </p><p></p><p>Tzarevitch</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tzarevitch, post: 1382160, member: 1792"] The sorcerer is unbeatable [I]if[/I] he has spells that are useful in that situation. The wizard can at least swap spells if he has to, given a bit of time. The sorcerer is plain stuck if he as the wrong spells for the situation and there is NOTHING he can do about it short of scrolls, wands and staves. Add to this the fact that he is more dependent on metamagic to increase his versatility than any other spellcaster and yet gains no bonus metamagic feats. Frankly I like the sorcerer concept but it is badly designed and very neglected. That the designers apparently arrived at the conclusion that a wizard's arcane preparation and smaller number of spells per day PLUS 4 metamagic feats, is equal in value to the sorcerer's very small list of spells that he can spontaneously cast. I disagree that that is the case. The ability to cast a small number of spells per day lots of times is not flexible it is repetitive. A useless spell that your can cast umpteen times per day is still a useless spell. Everyone points to the example of the wizard who arrives in a situation with the wrong spells prepared. I've got news for you. The sorcerer falls prey to that FAR more often. The wizard can at least attempt to modify his spells based on the situation. Also, if you face a recurring enemy who figures out what spells you know, you are screwed because you can't change tactics. Metamagic (particularly the Energy Substitution feat) is the sorcerer's only hope at versatilty but then the get shafted in terms of bonus feats. To top it off, the sorcerer cannot Quicken his spells either. The wizard has the advantage of flexibility and bonus feats, the sorcerer only has repitition on his side. Honestly, I can't say what I think is needed to improve socerers compared to their arcane brethren (wizards) but [I]something[/I] is needed. They should at least get the same bonus feats that wizards do. Tzarevitch [/QUOTE]
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