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<blockquote data-quote="two" data-source="post: 3116043" data-attributes="member: 9002">How awful is Speed?&nbsp; THIS awfulHere is a quick rundown on why Speed for a weapon sucks so bad.All the assumptions in the following help the Speed weapon user.Let's rule leniently that Speed on a weapon STACKS with haste.At a level where this matters, let's have our two fighters doing 4 attacks a round (when hasted).&nbsp; One uses a Speed weapon (+1 Speed longsword).&nbsp; One uses a +1 Holy Screaming Longsword.&nbsp; (let's assume the &quot;screaming&quot; only does 2 sonic points of damage on average).How often do full attacks happen?&nbsp; Let's say, leniently, 50% of the time.&nbsp; The actual number is lower, but let's stick with this.How often does the first strike of a high end fighter hit?&nbsp; Let's call it 90%.Let's say this fighter does 40 points of AVERAGE damage per blow.&nbsp; (this is HUGE but, let's do it).The speed weapon thus does, per round, 40 point * 50% (full attack ratio) * 90% (it hits) = 18 points of damage per round additional.(this fighter gets 5 atttacks instead of 4, and all the additional damage is from the extra attack)+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++What is the Holy Screaming guy doing?Let's say both fighter hit 90%, 90%, 60%, 40% for the 4 attacks.&nbsp; (the additional haste attack is at the same bonus as the highest attack).&nbsp; Let's also figure out how often the high level fighters are fighting things that are evil.&nbsp; I'd say 90% minimum.So the Holy, Sonic longsword is doing 7 (holy) + 2 (sonic) additional per attack 90% of the time.Additional damage is:Attack1:&nbsp; 7 * .9 (evil foe) * .9 (strike hits) = 5.5 roughly.Attack2:&nbsp; same&nbsp; 5.5 roughly.Attack3:&nbsp; roughly 3.5Attack4:&nbsp; roughly 2.5TOTAL:&nbsp; 17 points of damage (additional).Notice that this is essentially the same as the Speed weapon.But it gets better!If even 10% of your opponents have DR that is overcome only by Good-aligned weapons... like, you know, demons, devils, and a host of others, the &quot;HOLY&quot; enchantment absolutely destroys the speed enchantment.&nbsp; Crushes it.+++++++++Note that this assumes Speed stacks with Haste.&nbsp; Which it does not.Also that the average damage of a blow is 40!&nbsp; That is VERY high.Speed is HORRIBLE.Because you need to get through DR MORE often as levels rise... SPEED becomes even less useful... and Holy even better.It's really a horrible waste.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="two, post: 3116043, member: 9002"] [b]How awful is Speed? THIS awful[/b] Here is a quick rundown on why Speed for a weapon sucks so bad. All the assumptions in the following help the Speed weapon user. Let's rule leniently that Speed on a weapon STACKS with haste. At a level where this matters, let's have our two fighters doing 4 attacks a round (when hasted). One uses a Speed weapon (+1 Speed longsword). One uses a +1 Holy Screaming Longsword. (let's assume the "screaming" only does 2 sonic points of damage on average). How often do full attacks happen? Let's say, leniently, 50% of the time. The actual number is lower, but let's stick with this. How often does the first strike of a high end fighter hit? Let's call it 90%. Let's say this fighter does 40 points of AVERAGE damage per blow. (this is HUGE but, let's do it). The speed weapon thus does, per round, 40 point * 50% (full attack ratio) * 90% (it hits) = 18 points of damage per round additional. (this fighter gets 5 atttacks instead of 4, and all the additional damage is from the extra attack) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ What is the Holy Screaming guy doing? Let's say both fighter hit 90%, 90%, 60%, 40% for the 4 attacks. (the additional haste attack is at the same bonus as the highest attack). Let's also figure out how often the high level fighters are fighting things that are evil. I'd say 90% minimum. So the Holy, Sonic longsword is doing 7 (holy) + 2 (sonic) additional per attack 90% of the time. Additional damage is: Attack1: 7 * .9 (evil foe) * .9 (strike hits) = 5.5 roughly. Attack2: same 5.5 roughly. Attack3: roughly 3.5 Attack4: roughly 2.5 TOTAL: 17 points of damage (additional). Notice that this is essentially the same as the Speed weapon. But it gets better! If even 10% of your opponents have DR that is overcome only by Good-aligned weapons... like, you know, demons, devils, and a host of others, the "HOLY" enchantment absolutely destroys the speed enchantment. Crushes it. +++++++++ Note that this assumes Speed stacks with Haste. Which it does not. Also that the average damage of a blow is 40! That is VERY high. Speed is HORRIBLE. Because you need to get through DR MORE often as levels rise... SPEED becomes even less useful... and Holy even better. It's really a horrible waste. [/QUOTE]

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