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<blockquote data-quote="two" data-source="post: 3118941" data-attributes="member: 9002">Duh!&nbsp; YES you are right!Yes you are right.&nbsp; DUH!Holy weapon damage is reduced to 11.5 because we only get full attacks 50% of the time.But -- guess what?&nbsp; Holy weapon damage is also applied during charges/standard attacks.So the other 50% you get to add 7 (holy) + 2 (sonic) = 3.75.So the per round average is about 15.To recap:&nbsp; speed does 18 under optimal and illegal circumstances.&nbsp; Holy does 15.The real question is:&nbsp; how much average damage do you have to do per hit to make speed worth it?Average damage = 40 gives 18 av/damage per round.Now a rogue20 with 10 dice of sneak attack might be doing:&nbsp; 35 (sneak attack) + 3 (strength) + 1 (weapon) + some other damage bonuses = 45 or so, maybe.This isn't enough to catch up with Holy given the prevalance of Holy/good DR.Honestly, from my gut...unless you are doing really HIDEOUS damage, like averaging 60 per hit, at that point speed might be worth it.&nbsp; maybe.If it stacked with haste, which it does not.Can you really imagine anyone at 20th level having trouble being hasted as much as they want?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="two, post: 3118941, member: 9002"] [b]Duh! YES you are right![/b] Yes you are right. DUH! Holy weapon damage is reduced to 11.5 because we only get full attacks 50% of the time. But -- guess what? Holy weapon damage is also applied during charges/standard attacks. So the other 50% you get to add 7 (holy) + 2 (sonic) = 3.75. So the per round average is about 15. To recap: speed does 18 under optimal and illegal circumstances. Holy does 15. The real question is: how much average damage do you have to do per hit to make speed worth it? Average damage = 40 gives 18 av/damage per round. Now a rogue20 with 10 dice of sneak attack might be doing: 35 (sneak attack) + 3 (strength) + 1 (weapon) + some other damage bonuses = 45 or so, maybe. This isn't enough to catch up with Holy given the prevalance of Holy/good DR. Honestly, from my gut...unless you are doing really HIDEOUS damage, like averaging 60 per hit, at that point speed might be worth it. maybe. If it stacked with haste, which it does not. Can you really imagine anyone at 20th level having trouble being hasted as much as they want? [/QUOTE]

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