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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 602343" data-attributes="member: 3051">Math notes:4d6-drop-low averages 12.24.  Assuming you didn't roll anything over a 14 or anything under 8, that translates to 25.44 points under the standard point-buy system.  A 25-point system is a pretty fair translation.The problem, though, isn't raw points, it's how you spend them.  Look at your example:25-point buy:18 (cost 16, spent so far 16)10 (cost 2, spent so far 18)10 (cost 2, spent so far 20)10 (cost 2, spent so far 22)10 (cost 2, spent so far 24)9 (cost 1, spent so far 25)Let's say this is a Wizard.  18 goes into INT, of course.  The problem is, you gain nothing by having 10s in WIS, STR, or CHA, so transfer points from those to your DEX and CON.  Bottom line, no wasted points; there's no reason to raise STR or CHA above 8 if your class doesn't need it, and a Wizard already has a high enough Will that they don't need WIS.This is from a purely min-max view, of course.  But, a point-buy system allows far more min-maxing than a die-rolling system.  Even dropping low dice, it's HARD to roll an 18 (21/1296 = one in 61 rolls); if you made 5 characters there'd be a 50% chance that one of the five would have an 18; it's horribly unlikely that there'd be two of them.  Under a point-buy system with more than 32 points, not only does practically every caster have an 18 in his prime stat, he could have an 18 in a secondary stat or 14s in all the other stats he cares about.</blockquote>

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