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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8851941" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>I've given valid responses. Ignoring them and claiming they weren't is pretty hokey.</p><p></p><p>Holy hell. Are you really that clueless about what I wrote, or is this deliberate?</p><p></p><p>Wait. This is fantastic. You're actually arguing that since I have to make up a few additional locations, that's the same as making up the tons of locations a real setting gives me plus a few additional ones. You're arguing that 5=305.</p><p></p><p>Both githyanki and dead gods are part of the default setting, not Spelljammer. The Forgotten Realms doesn't cease to exist just because Spelljammer mentions it(Page 7 of the Light of Xaryxis) and turn into the Spelljammer setting. Similarly the astral plane and those things already known to be in it don't suddenly turn into the Spelljammer setting.</p><p></p><p>Literally nobody said that they needed 1000 pages. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> </p><p></p><p>I guess you have players who don't bother to look past the few things you point them at. My players and quite literally every group I've played with in the last 30 years actually talks to normal crew and gets to know them. So I need more than 20 crew members that are all clones of one another. </p><p></p><p>It's no wonder you think that you don't need more than the 5e Spelljammer setting gives you. You're players aren't going to look for anything outside the tidbits you give.</p><p></p><p>Player: "I go into the cabin on the left. What do I see?"</p><p>DM: "Cabin #1"</p><p>Player: "What else?"</p><p>DM: "Nothing. According to Chaosmancer the label is all you need."</p><p></p><p>Sooooo, the picture is just the beginning of what I need. I already told you a large part of the rest, but you conveniently cut it out of your response. Funny that.</p><p></p><p>I've tried random generators. They suck. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷♂️" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" /> </p><p></p><p>So if you know what I always say, then you know that you've just twisted my words to try and score points, failing badly. I've said that alignment is great for monsters. And I've said alignment is great for random minor NPCs that the players suddenly decide to go visit, like a town baker. You also know that I've said that important NPCs like Large Luigi get a lot more treatment from me on their personality and details.</p><p></p><p>Right. A large, busy bar(you looked at the picture) only has one guy to cook, clean and serve everyone. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes :rolleyes:" data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /> </p><p></p><p>Because it's a throne. Just because you sit on it doesn't make it a simple chair. When you sit on a rock, does it also become a chair?</p><p></p><p>Because the entire Gondor Red Herring was just that, a Red Herring. I decided to stop fishing.</p><p></p><p>You need to re-read what I said if that's what you got.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8851941, member: 23751"] I've given valid responses. Ignoring them and claiming they weren't is pretty hokey. Holy hell. Are you really that clueless about what I wrote, or is this deliberate? Wait. This is fantastic. You're actually arguing that since I have to make up a few additional locations, that's the same as making up the tons of locations a real setting gives me plus a few additional ones. You're arguing that 5=305. Both githyanki and dead gods are part of the default setting, not Spelljammer. The Forgotten Realms doesn't cease to exist just because Spelljammer mentions it(Page 7 of the Light of Xaryxis) and turn into the Spelljammer setting. Similarly the astral plane and those things already known to be in it don't suddenly turn into the Spelljammer setting. Literally nobody said that they needed 1000 pages. :rolleyes: I guess you have players who don't bother to look past the few things you point them at. My players and quite literally every group I've played with in the last 30 years actually talks to normal crew and gets to know them. So I need more than 20 crew members that are all clones of one another. It's no wonder you think that you don't need more than the 5e Spelljammer setting gives you. You're players aren't going to look for anything outside the tidbits you give. Player: "I go into the cabin on the left. What do I see?" DM: "Cabin #1" Player: "What else?" DM: "Nothing. According to Chaosmancer the label is all you need." Sooooo, the picture is just the beginning of what I need. I already told you a large part of the rest, but you conveniently cut it out of your response. Funny that. I've tried random generators. They suck. 🤷♂️ So if you know what I always say, then you know that you've just twisted my words to try and score points, failing badly. I've said that alignment is great for monsters. And I've said alignment is great for random minor NPCs that the players suddenly decide to go visit, like a town baker. You also know that I've said that important NPCs like Large Luigi get a lot more treatment from me on their personality and details. Right. A large, busy bar(you looked at the picture) only has one guy to cook, clean and serve everyone. :rolleyes: Because it's a throne. Just because you sit on it doesn't make it a simple chair. When you sit on a rock, does it also become a chair? Because the entire Gondor Red Herring was just that, a Red Herring. I decided to stop fishing. You need to re-read what I said if that's what you got. [/QUOTE]
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