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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8853056" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>Boiled down it's "People won't pay for substandard amount of product." They aren't going to pay movie prices for a 3 minute movie short. It had nothing to do with japan, the titanic or anything else you want way off track with.</p><p></p><p>I need a hell of a lot more than that. I need to have locations for the majority of places the PCs might go, and I need them in every town and city they go to. 305 locations is nothing.</p><p></p><p>So I don't improv 99% of my game like you apparently do. I need to know what the various inns and taverns are in every town, the gem shops, the armorers, the weapon smiths, etc. Then I need the jails, palaces, manors, etc.</p><p></p><p>Do you know the difference between IN the setting and IS the setting? Because it doesn't seem that way from that answer. The negative energy plane is part of the cosmology Theros is a part of. The negative energy plane is not the Theros setting. The Astral sea is not the Spelljammer setting. It is a part of the cosmology that Spelljammer uses.</p><p></p><p>It's not your math that was bad. It was your assumption that was bad. I said it provides .01 of what I would be using, not that the book provides 100% of what I would be using.</p><p></p><p>A 350 page setting since that's around the standard for a good setting book(3e FR, Eberron 3e and 5e, etc.) provides a strong foundation and some lode bearing walls that I build off of. So that's about 25%-30% since not all of those pages are setting, either.</p><p></p><p>Compare that to 10 pages(and I'm being generous) of setting material in 5e Spelljammer. Spelljammer is providing me quicksand to build off of.</p><p></p><p>Villains, allies, neutral parties. People talk to captured sailors as often as ones they are hanging out with. It's not just the captains that get questioned.</p><p></p><p>What's in it? The ship information doesn't give you a clue.</p><p></p><p>This is not relevant since PCs get into locked areas all the time.</p><p></p><p>Nah. I just want them to do locations and more in the way of history and general setting lore. I have to do the details for the entire crew, not just the few officers.</p><p></p><p>Still missing the point. I already do a lot of work. As I said above a good, solid setting only gives 20-30% of what I use. I'll pay for that. I'm not going to pay for .01%.</p><p></p><p>He's an information resource that they will go to most likely several times over the campaign. Maybe more often. He's a major NPC.</p><p></p><p>A lot of details?! There isn't enough written to amount to more than a small number of details for him.</p><p></p><p>Ever hear of this thing called action economy. He can't do 25 things at once, or even 2, unless he's killing people. He has one telekinesis ray. He can do one thing at a time. He needs several people to help him with a tavern of that size and popularity.</p><p></p><p>He's not a wizard.</p><p></p><p>You did that, not me. I never said all star wars settings were bad because one has bad rules.</p><p></p><p>No. There are literally thousands. Every person running a star wars game has one. And there are multiple systems to use.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8853056, member: 23751"] Boiled down it's "People won't pay for substandard amount of product." They aren't going to pay movie prices for a 3 minute movie short. It had nothing to do with japan, the titanic or anything else you want way off track with. I need a hell of a lot more than that. I need to have locations for the majority of places the PCs might go, and I need them in every town and city they go to. 305 locations is nothing. So I don't improv 99% of my game like you apparently do. I need to know what the various inns and taverns are in every town, the gem shops, the armorers, the weapon smiths, etc. Then I need the jails, palaces, manors, etc. Do you know the difference between IN the setting and IS the setting? Because it doesn't seem that way from that answer. The negative energy plane is part of the cosmology Theros is a part of. The negative energy plane is not the Theros setting. The Astral sea is not the Spelljammer setting. It is a part of the cosmology that Spelljammer uses. It's not your math that was bad. It was your assumption that was bad. I said it provides .01 of what I would be using, not that the book provides 100% of what I would be using. A 350 page setting since that's around the standard for a good setting book(3e FR, Eberron 3e and 5e, etc.) provides a strong foundation and some lode bearing walls that I build off of. So that's about 25%-30% since not all of those pages are setting, either. Compare that to 10 pages(and I'm being generous) of setting material in 5e Spelljammer. Spelljammer is providing me quicksand to build off of. Villains, allies, neutral parties. People talk to captured sailors as often as ones they are hanging out with. It's not just the captains that get questioned. What's in it? The ship information doesn't give you a clue. This is not relevant since PCs get into locked areas all the time. Nah. I just want them to do locations and more in the way of history and general setting lore. I have to do the details for the entire crew, not just the few officers. Still missing the point. I already do a lot of work. As I said above a good, solid setting only gives 20-30% of what I use. I'll pay for that. I'm not going to pay for .01%. He's an information resource that they will go to most likely several times over the campaign. Maybe more often. He's a major NPC. A lot of details?! There isn't enough written to amount to more than a small number of details for him. Ever hear of this thing called action economy. He can't do 25 things at once, or even 2, unless he's killing people. He has one telekinesis ray. He can do one thing at a time. He needs several people to help him with a tavern of that size and popularity. He's not a wizard. You did that, not me. I never said all star wars settings were bad because one has bad rules. No. There are literally thousands. Every person running a star wars game has one. And there are multiple systems to use. [/QUOTE]
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