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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8855194" data-attributes="member: 6801228"><p>So, if a lot of people bought it. And then another set like it is released, and a lot of people buy it... then you'd be wrong. All you would be correct about is that YOU won't buy it again.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, let's see here. </p><p></p><p>You do. I don't. My friend doesn't. My other friend doesn't. Neither does their friend. The person I game with online doesn't. The people I used to play with online didn't. The other group I used to play with had multiple DMs, and they didn't. </p><p></p><p>So, I'm currently looking at 1 vs 10, in my favor. </p><p></p><p></p><p>And, who says I'm not prepared? I am plenty prepared, I just don't need to prepare hundreds of locations. Also, so what if the players ask something and they realize they asked something I wasn't prepared for?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, first I'm going to need to see if Planescape counteracts anything in Spelljammer. Because it is entirely likely they are combining the two concepts. and in which case I'm not going to need to do anything.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"I'm ignorant of the current version of the setting, because I'm using the REAL version of the setting from decades ago" </p><p></p><p>Really makes you wonder why you might be having a disconnect between how useful the material is, if you think of the version that hasn't been supported for three editions is the "real" version.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Of course you didn't. You just made a claim that it is a poor setting book, claiming it only provided 0.01 of what you need.... while hiding the fact that 0.75 of what you "need" is never in a setting book to begin with. So, you aren't accurately discussing what you need from a setting book, to make the situation look far worse than it is. </p><p></p><p>I'm so glad you just say what you mean. Because 1% out of 100% is clearly the same as 1% out of 25%.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And yet you want the book to fill in those spaces for you. You want the book to fill in the cabins of every navigator for every ship, in an infinite multiverse. Or, maybe not all of them, maybe just 20 or 30 of them? Eberron is a great setting book right? Do they provide the details of the High Priestess's private chambers in the Church of the Silver Flame? No. No they do not.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You may want more, but that doesn't mean it is a bad setting for not providing more. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You always say what you mean. That's why when I said none of the ship's crew, quarters details or captains are relevant you declared that I am saying that locations, setting history and setting lore are not relevant. </p><p></p><p>Such blinding honesty from you.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>People in the know =/= this one person. </p><p></p><p>You realize if they ask about something like a location, I'm not going to recomend the beholder, but I'd recommend the guy famous for Star Charts, right? You have a question about religion, I'm not going to send you to the bar, but to the Temple District. Maybe you want to know about the ships in the docks, then I'm going to send you to the docks. If you are directing them to Luigi for all of those things, then YOU are the one making him vital, not the setting.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes I do.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And you clearly don't understand what a setting is. Which might explain why this has been such a useless conversation. And I'm not in the mood to try and educate you on the matter.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8855194, member: 6801228"] So, if a lot of people bought it. And then another set like it is released, and a lot of people buy it... then you'd be wrong. All you would be correct about is that YOU won't buy it again. Well, let's see here. You do. I don't. My friend doesn't. My other friend doesn't. Neither does their friend. The person I game with online doesn't. The people I used to play with online didn't. The other group I used to play with had multiple DMs, and they didn't. So, I'm currently looking at 1 vs 10, in my favor. And, who says I'm not prepared? I am plenty prepared, I just don't need to prepare hundreds of locations. Also, so what if the players ask something and they realize they asked something I wasn't prepared for? Well, first I'm going to need to see if Planescape counteracts anything in Spelljammer. Because it is entirely likely they are combining the two concepts. and in which case I'm not going to need to do anything. "I'm ignorant of the current version of the setting, because I'm using the REAL version of the setting from decades ago" Really makes you wonder why you might be having a disconnect between how useful the material is, if you think of the version that hasn't been supported for three editions is the "real" version. Of course you didn't. You just made a claim that it is a poor setting book, claiming it only provided 0.01 of what you need.... while hiding the fact that 0.75 of what you "need" is never in a setting book to begin with. So, you aren't accurately discussing what you need from a setting book, to make the situation look far worse than it is. I'm so glad you just say what you mean. Because 1% out of 100% is clearly the same as 1% out of 25%. And yet you want the book to fill in those spaces for you. You want the book to fill in the cabins of every navigator for every ship, in an infinite multiverse. Or, maybe not all of them, maybe just 20 or 30 of them? Eberron is a great setting book right? Do they provide the details of the High Priestess's private chambers in the Church of the Silver Flame? No. No they do not. You may want more, but that doesn't mean it is a bad setting for not providing more. You always say what you mean. That's why when I said none of the ship's crew, quarters details or captains are relevant you declared that I am saying that locations, setting history and setting lore are not relevant. Such blinding honesty from you. People in the know =/= this one person. You realize if they ask about something like a location, I'm not going to recomend the beholder, but I'd recommend the guy famous for Star Charts, right? You have a question about religion, I'm not going to send you to the bar, but to the Temple District. Maybe you want to know about the ships in the docks, then I'm going to send you to the docks. If you are directing them to Luigi for all of those things, then YOU are the one making him vital, not the setting. Yes I do. And you clearly don't understand what a setting is. Which might explain why this has been such a useless conversation. And I'm not in the mood to try and educate you on the matter. [/QUOTE]
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