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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 6775285" data-attributes="member: 463">Partly it's people bringing in baggage from 3e/4e. Partly though I think it's a deliberate ambiguity in 5e - they want people to be able to run it like pre-3e, using common sense and GM adjudication, but they also don't want to alienate 3e/4e fans. So you get stuff like this which is potentially ambiguous - it is possible to apply an absurd literalist approach to the Hiding rules, apply them out of combat, and say that invisible creatures are automatically detected unless deliberately Hiding.To me it seems clear that the intent re the Hiding &amp; 'Can Always Hide While Invisible' rules is that you can be in combat with people who know you are there and take a Hide action to have them lose track of you, which would not be possible if you were visible - you'd have to move out of line of sight. As you say, there is no indication that opponents are always aware of you unless you take the Hide action. Most people would take it that goes without saying.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 6775285, member: 463"] Partly it's people bringing in baggage from 3e/4e. Partly though I think it's a deliberate ambiguity in 5e - they want people to be able to run it like pre-3e, using common sense and GM adjudication, but they also don't want to alienate 3e/4e fans. So you get stuff like this which is potentially ambiguous - it is possible to apply an absurd literalist approach to the Hiding rules, apply them out of combat, and say that invisible creatures are automatically detected unless deliberately Hiding. To me it seems clear that the intent re the Hiding & 'Can Always Hide While Invisible' rules is that you can be in combat with people who know you are there and take a Hide action to have them lose track of you, which would not be possible if you were visible - you'd have to move out of line of sight. As you say, there is no indication that opponents are always aware of you unless you take the Hide action. Most people would take it that goes without saying. [/QUOTE]

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