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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Noctem" data-source="post: 6775290" data-attributes="member: 6801315">Well let me put it this way.  The only way in the entire game to gain the benefit "enemies don't know where you are and have to guess" is to be hidden from another creature.  I know this because I've written the guide for stealth and hiding and I have actually gone through the entire PHB.  Similarly, the only way in the entire game to be considered stunned is to actually have the condition stunned on your character.  Now let me ask you this:  Do you really need a rule that says that unless you are under the condition stunned you are not stunned?  The lack of evidence, if there really is in fact a lack of evidence, does not mean you're right by default.  However, because the game has to specifically say that hidden grants you the benefit of being unseen + unheard + people have to guess where you are, it does indicate that if you're not hidden you don't gain these benefits unless there's other things to consider (like being invisible).  So if you're in a room with someone else, you know they are there unless they are actively trying to hide (IE used an action to roll stealth vs your passive perception and succeeded in beating it).  Invisibility is powerful, but it is a means to an end only.  It doesn't grant you the same benefits as being hidden.  Nothing else in the game does, even if you're both unseen and unheard.  DM's may make rulings of course based on context.But to get back to the OP, the DM was right.</blockquote>

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