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<blockquote data-quote="Tigerbunny" data-source="post: 4393873" data-attributes="member: 21857"><p>The complication is mostly in the heads of people who are trying to treat the rules text like a computer program.</p><p></p><p>"To Stealth" is not an action in itself. It is a modifier to another action. If you have cover or concealment, you can try to take an action that would otherwise attract attention "stealthily". If your Stealth check beats the passive Perception of someone who might otherwise detect your action, you remain unnoticed. Use that Stealth check result until you try to do something else with Stealth. You are NOT "invisible" - you are "unnoticed", and cannot be targeted except by targeting your square using the "target you can't see" rules. You have combat advantage over any creature that has not beaten your Stealth check result (either passively or by taking an active Perception action on their turn).</p><p></p><p>The only question is "what actions do I need to Stealth on to prevent creatures from noticing me?"</p><p></p><p>I'd rule that anything that would provoke an OA or would cause you to lose concealment/cover would qualify.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tigerbunny, post: 4393873, member: 21857"] The complication is mostly in the heads of people who are trying to treat the rules text like a computer program. "To Stealth" is not an action in itself. It is a modifier to another action. If you have cover or concealment, you can try to take an action that would otherwise attract attention "stealthily". If your Stealth check beats the passive Perception of someone who might otherwise detect your action, you remain unnoticed. Use that Stealth check result until you try to do something else with Stealth. You are NOT "invisible" - you are "unnoticed", and cannot be targeted except by targeting your square using the "target you can't see" rules. You have combat advantage over any creature that has not beaten your Stealth check result (either passively or by taking an active Perception action on their turn). The only question is "what actions do I need to Stealth on to prevent creatures from noticing me?" I'd rule that anything that would provoke an OA or would cause you to lose concealment/cover would qualify. [/QUOTE]
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