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Message: <blockquote data-quote="seusomon" data-source="post: 4397178" data-attributes="member: 68641">With grapple, the intention was clear, but the execution was complex hard to remember.With stealth, the execution is simple, but the intention (when and how, exactly, may one use stealth to obtain combat advantage) is unclear.Why is there no such thing? You don't "stealth as an action", stealth is not an action. You make a stealth check if you want to perform some other action unnoticed. This is true in combat or out of combat.No. The way it would usually work is: I move under concealment or cover, making a stealth check to see if I go unnoticed. If I succeed, the target is unaware of me and I have combat advantage. I can then attack (using sneak attack if I am a rogue).The problems and debates are about what kind of things can happen and still maintain the "target is unaware of you" condition.</blockquote>