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Is Stealth the new Grapple?
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<blockquote data-quote="buzz" data-source="post: 4397317" data-attributes="member: 6777"><p>The first sentence above and the second don't agree with each other.</p><p></p><p>Line of sight really doesn't matter. It's <em>unblocked</em> LoS that matters (p.188). If the PC has Cover or Concealment, they can use Stealth as part of some other action (attacking, moving, drawing a weapon, whatever). If a creature doesn't have Line of Sight to the PC, the PC doesn't need to worry about Stealth, because the creature by definition can't see them.</p><p></p><p></p><p>What I've seen most often so far is figuring out when Stealth can be used. E.g., if a PC begins their move in a square without Cover or Concealment, but moves into an area with Cover or Concealment in the process of moving, can they still use Stealth? Or the whole debate about how Shadow Walk interacts with Stealth.</p><p></p><p>I honestly don't think it's that bad, and I don't think it's nearly the session-stopper that grapple was. My experience with my group is simply that they're still thinking in terms of 3.5, where Hide/Move Silent was always part of a move. I think you need to put that idea away before approaching 4e Stealth, and things will work out okay.</p><p></p><p>Regardless, WotC really ought to do a FAQ entry or, better yet, a <em>Dragon</em> article that fleshes out how they intended Stealth to be used.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="buzz, post: 4397317, member: 6777"] The first sentence above and the second don't agree with each other. Line of sight really doesn't matter. It's [I]unblocked[/I] LoS that matters (p.188). If the PC has Cover or Concealment, they can use Stealth as part of some other action (attacking, moving, drawing a weapon, whatever). If a creature doesn't have Line of Sight to the PC, the PC doesn't need to worry about Stealth, because the creature by definition can't see them. What I've seen most often so far is figuring out when Stealth can be used. E.g., if a PC begins their move in a square without Cover or Concealment, but moves into an area with Cover or Concealment in the process of moving, can they still use Stealth? Or the whole debate about how Shadow Walk interacts with Stealth. I honestly don't think it's that bad, and I don't think it's nearly the session-stopper that grapple was. My experience with my group is simply that they're still thinking in terms of 3.5, where Hide/Move Silent was always part of a move. I think you need to put that idea away before approaching 4e Stealth, and things will work out okay. Regardless, WotC really ought to do a FAQ entry or, better yet, a [I]Dragon[/I] article that fleshes out how they intended Stealth to be used. [/QUOTE]
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