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<blockquote data-quote="the_redbeard" data-source="post: 4397705" data-attributes="member: 22644"><p>Please, read. It is a necessary skill to play this game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You only need ONE of those conditions for combat advantage.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Interesting things about that:</p><p>Unaware of you, page 188, is stealth.</p><p>Unable to see the attacker, page 281, is the targeting what you can't see rules.</p><p></p><p>From the <a href="http://wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wizards.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1396&p_created=1212604387&p_sid=shnKvH9j&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD02NjgsNjY4JnBfcHJvZHM9JnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1" target="_blank">FAQ </a>(you know there's an official FAQ, don't you?)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Stealth, page 188:</p><p>Success: You avoid notice, unheard and hidden from</p><p>view.</p><p></p><p>Combat Advantage: You have combat advantage</p><p>against a target that isn’t aware of you.</p><p></p><p>The combat advantage listed here is a result of a stealth success, it is not an additional requirement for combat advantage. That should be obvious from the long list of different ways to gain CA on 280.</p><p></p><p>Most people with basic English could equate "Avoid Notice" with "unaware". No, it does not mean that stealth is a Jedi Mind Trick. It is listing the many different ways that stealth can be used.</p><p></p><p>Stealth could be used to gain combat advantage in other ways besides hiding. For example, if your party member distracts a guard while you succeed at using stealth to get close, they would not be aware of your attack. No, you wouldn't be hidden from view. But you would be able to take advantage of your distraction to attack your target unawares.</p><p></p><p>As I said in the beginning of the thread, this could have been written clearer. But the actual mechanics are simple if basic English is applied.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="the_redbeard, post: 4397705, member: 22644"] Please, read. It is a necessary skill to play this game. You only need ONE of those conditions for combat advantage. Interesting things about that: Unaware of you, page 188, is stealth. Unable to see the attacker, page 281, is the targeting what you can't see rules. From the [url=http://wizards.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wizards.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1396&p_created=1212604387&p_sid=shnKvH9j&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfcm93X2NudD02NjgsNjY4JnBfcHJvZHM9JnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1]FAQ [/url](you know there's an official FAQ, don't you?) Stealth, page 188: Success: You avoid notice, unheard and hidden from view. Combat Advantage: You have combat advantage against a target that isn’t aware of you. The combat advantage listed here is a result of a stealth success, it is not an additional requirement for combat advantage. That should be obvious from the long list of different ways to gain CA on 280. Most people with basic English could equate "Avoid Notice" with "unaware". No, it does not mean that stealth is a Jedi Mind Trick. It is listing the many different ways that stealth can be used. Stealth could be used to gain combat advantage in other ways besides hiding. For example, if your party member distracts a guard while you succeed at using stealth to get close, they would not be aware of your attack. No, you wouldn't be hidden from view. But you would be able to take advantage of your distraction to attack your target unawares. As I said in the beginning of the thread, this could have been written clearer. But the actual mechanics are simple if basic English is applied. [/QUOTE]
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