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<blockquote data-quote="the_redbeard" data-source="post: 4398316" data-attributes="member: 22644"><p>No.</p><p></p><p>Skills in 4th edition are too broad to be defined so narrowly. They are NOT 1 tool that can only be applied only one way in one situation.</p><p></p><p>Stealth can be used to:</p><p>duck behind cover in battle - resulting in a lasting condition</p><p>open a door quietly - only applies during the action</p><p>melt into the crowd at a market - applies during the action and results in a lasting condition</p><p>Whisper instructions unheard during negotiations with the Bishop - only applies during the action</p><p>Draw a dagger quietly after having successfully made a stealthy move action on a guard - an skill check to maintain a condition</p><p></p><p>Etc.</p><p>3.5 had broader skills than other skill games such as GURPS. 4th edition skills are even broader. </p><p></p><p>Other skills can be applied in different ways. Arcana can be used for an action, or for a knowledge check, or even for a magical skill (detect magic). Why, why do you make an exception for stealth?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, that means the DM may need to adjudicate gray areas. That's why we have a DM.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="the_redbeard, post: 4398316, member: 22644"] No. Skills in 4th edition are too broad to be defined so narrowly. They are NOT 1 tool that can only be applied only one way in one situation. Stealth can be used to: duck behind cover in battle - resulting in a lasting condition open a door quietly - only applies during the action melt into the crowd at a market - applies during the action and results in a lasting condition Whisper instructions unheard during negotiations with the Bishop - only applies during the action Draw a dagger quietly after having successfully made a stealthy move action on a guard - an skill check to maintain a condition Etc. 3.5 had broader skills than other skill games such as GURPS. 4th edition skills are even broader. Other skills can be applied in different ways. Arcana can be used for an action, or for a knowledge check, or even for a magical skill (detect magic). Why, why do you make an exception for stealth? Yes, that means the DM may need to adjudicate gray areas. That's why we have a DM. [/QUOTE]
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