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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6714377" data-attributes="member: 67338">2e wizard had xd4+y hp where X= levels 1-10 and y=1 per level after 10... if you were really really lucky you might add +1 per d4... but odds of getting -1 per D4 where higher...so a level 15 wizard most of the time had 10d4+5, might if lucky have 10d4+15, but was more likely to have 10d4-5... and maxing 1st level HD wasn't an optional rule until reprints of the book... so you could have 30hp at 15th level... and if you were lucky 40hp, but if you were unlucky 20hp..the min range would be 1hp per level... so 15hpnow I want to start a thread about hp....edit: a 2e fighter was Xd10+y where X was level 1-9 and y was 3per level after 9... so a 15th level fighter had 9d10+18... now fighters had better odds of a good con, but still not good... lets give a +2... that's 9d10+36, average (5.5)  6 x 9-54 and 36 is 90... the average (slightly above with a +2 from con I think is a 16 or 17) fighter hasn't broken 100hp</blockquote>