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<blockquote data-quote="Shadai" data-source="post: 6715043" data-attributes="member: 6801949"><p>I guess it depends on what exactly we are talking about.</p><p></p><p>The question is “is stoneskin underpowered” and I have to ask, compared to what?</p><p></p><p>If the question is “Is Stoneskin underpowered compared to previous editions?” then I think the answer can be readily agreed on. Yes. It is. Significantly actually. But that’s okay. If you think that’s wrong, I’ll ask you to kindly leave 5th edition, turn around, and read the sign posted on the door. They made no bones about balancing the classes, and with the concentration mechanic, wizards are no longer the gods they were formally. Indeed I feel there is still a gap between level 20 wizard and level 20 fighter, but the that gap which was astronomically large in previous editions is considerably narrower now. I actually really like that about this system, and think that this stoneskin change is more in line with that line of thinking then “how can we purposes f*** over spellcasters?”</p><p></p><p>I for one (even though I played several) am all for the end of god wizards. You know, the ones that buff up for 10 minutes before a fight, stroll into combat without a care in the world and literally decimate 3 flocks of flying nasties, 2 armies of orcs, and a dragon in a pear tree. This edition requires a bit more tactical thinking other than “hey, does that shady guy have a handful of pebbles? If so my stoneskin is f***ed…”</p><p></p><p>However, if the question we are trying to debate is “Is Stoneskin underpowered compared to other 4th level spells?” then I think we have a debate. The sides for this are a little less clear. A 100gp cost for a spell that only protects against non-magical damage is a bit weak. However, ALL spells in this edition got a bit weaker. That was part of that balancing. Then I think, well, unlike the cantrip Blade Ward, it lasts an hour, can be cast on another person, and protects against ALL P/S/B damage. Blade Ward, if you recall, lasts one til end of next turn, can only be self cast, and protects against P/S/B weapon damage. And that isn’t bad for a 4 spell. </p><p></p><p>If you want to debate its merit against other 4th level spells fine. If you want to compare it to level 3 and 5 spells on a power level that’s fine too. But stay within the bounds of this edition, and don’t confuse the issue about how you hate the new concentration mechanic because your ranger can’t melee damage like a fighter or you want your god wizard back.</p><p></p><p>If either of those apply to you, the previous editions are located down the hall, second door on the left, straight on til morning.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shadai, post: 6715043, member: 6801949"] I guess it depends on what exactly we are talking about. The question is “is stoneskin underpowered” and I have to ask, compared to what? If the question is “Is Stoneskin underpowered compared to previous editions?” then I think the answer can be readily agreed on. Yes. It is. Significantly actually. But that’s okay. If you think that’s wrong, I’ll ask you to kindly leave 5th edition, turn around, and read the sign posted on the door. They made no bones about balancing the classes, and with the concentration mechanic, wizards are no longer the gods they were formally. Indeed I feel there is still a gap between level 20 wizard and level 20 fighter, but the that gap which was astronomically large in previous editions is considerably narrower now. I actually really like that about this system, and think that this stoneskin change is more in line with that line of thinking then “how can we purposes f*** over spellcasters?” I for one (even though I played several) am all for the end of god wizards. You know, the ones that buff up for 10 minutes before a fight, stroll into combat without a care in the world and literally decimate 3 flocks of flying nasties, 2 armies of orcs, and a dragon in a pear tree. This edition requires a bit more tactical thinking other than “hey, does that shady guy have a handful of pebbles? If so my stoneskin is f***ed…” However, if the question we are trying to debate is “Is Stoneskin underpowered compared to other 4th level spells?” then I think we have a debate. The sides for this are a little less clear. A 100gp cost for a spell that only protects against non-magical damage is a bit weak. However, ALL spells in this edition got a bit weaker. That was part of that balancing. Then I think, well, unlike the cantrip Blade Ward, it lasts an hour, can be cast on another person, and protects against ALL P/S/B damage. Blade Ward, if you recall, lasts one til end of next turn, can only be self cast, and protects against P/S/B weapon damage. And that isn’t bad for a 4 spell. If you want to debate its merit against other 4th level spells fine. If you want to compare it to level 3 and 5 spells on a power level that’s fine too. But stay within the bounds of this edition, and don’t confuse the issue about how you hate the new concentration mechanic because your ranger can’t melee damage like a fighter or you want your god wizard back. If either of those apply to you, the previous editions are located down the hall, second door on the left, straight on til morning. [/QUOTE]
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