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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6716851" data-attributes="member: 6787650">I think you're misstating Aaron's point. Take post #71:I can understand why you might think this is the same as &quot;Wizards with 11 Con are unplayable.&quot; What I hear it saying is a bit different: &quot;Wizards with 11 Con, no Con save proficiency, and a reliance on concentration spells are unplayable as front-line tanks. So either don't build that wizard or don't play him that way.&quot; Hence the reference to &quot;non-finesse weapons&quot;. Just as a fighter with Str 11 can rely on finesse weapons, a wizard can rely on non-concentration spells. Just as a fighter can use tactics to generate advantage to compensate for low Str (e.g. by hiding behind a Shield Master fighter who bashes people to the ground), a wizard can use tactics to compensate for poor Concentration (e.g. save your cocentration spells until they will be decisive, like Wall of Force and Hypnotic Pattern; use Mirror Image before casting your concentration spell to reduce the chances of being hit). It's still a weakness but it doesn't have to be a crippling one.Frankly, the difference between +3 and +0 on Concentration saves is pretty minimal anyway. Not getting hit is a much better mitigation.Edit: and it turns out that I heard Aaron's point correctly, since Aaron just posted his clarification. Yay! Nobody here thinks high Con is mandatory. It's just something you need to be aware of.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6716851, member: 6787650"] I think you're misstating Aaron's point. Take post #71: I can understand why you might think this is the same as "Wizards with 11 Con are unplayable." What I hear it saying is a bit different: "Wizards with 11 Con, no Con save proficiency, and a reliance on concentration spells are unplayable as front-line tanks. So either don't build that wizard or don't play him that way." Hence the reference to "non-finesse weapons". Just as a fighter with Str 11 can rely on finesse weapons, a wizard can rely on non-concentration spells. Just as a fighter can use tactics to generate advantage to compensate for low Str (e.g. by hiding behind a Shield Master fighter who bashes people to the ground), a wizard can use tactics to compensate for poor Concentration (e.g. save your cocentration spells until they will be decisive, like Wall of Force and Hypnotic Pattern; use Mirror Image before casting your concentration spell to reduce the chances of being hit). It's still a weakness but it doesn't have to be a crippling one. Frankly, the difference between +3 and +0 on Concentration saves is pretty minimal anyway. Not getting hit is a much better mitigation. [B]Edit: [/B]and it turns out that I heard Aaron's point correctly, since Aaron just posted his clarification. Yay! Nobody here thinks high Con is mandatory. It's just something you need to be aware of. [/QUOTE]

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