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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shadai" data-source="post: 6716888" data-attributes="member: 6801949">In response to my bit about classes being MAD and not being able to get everything out of just one score you said:....But you did.  You totally did.  Here, let me show you:Here I'll bold the part so you don't skip it:So what exactly are you saying there?  It sounds an awful lot like you're complaining about putting a higher score in CON over a dump stat like STR.  You go on to give an example of an enchanter with a 14 or 16 con.  Even using the basic scores gives you AT LEAST a 15, 14, and 13 PRIOR to racial bonuses.  So the 15 or 14 is used for INT depending on the bonus, and that leaves you at least one of those left AND the 13.  That's a +2 or +1 to con depending on what score you slot in there, again, prior to racial bonuses.  What are you throwing those scores into?  STR?If you are playing the traditional wizard, you are going to be in the back slinging spells.  Hopefully, anything nasty has to go through the rest of your party before they get to you.   That doesn't always work, so being prepared is the mantra of the wizard.  Like the Boy Scouts, you hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.  So you do that one of two ways.  Build your character to take a hit or pass the occasional CON save, or be sure to take spells that don't require such saves.  Blade Ward does the same thing as stoneskin, no save.  Take Mirror Image instead of Blur.  Make yourself Invisible.  Hell, instead of assuming you can cast a spell every round, if it looks like you are in trouble take a Dodge action.But yet you do have a problem.  You have a problem with the Concentration mechanic, which for you is unfortunately part of this game.  I like the mechanic, it makes it so Wizards aren't so super powered anymore.  Prior to this, if you met one that was all buffed up it was GG unless you were packing some very specific counters.  Now fights are a bit more balanced.  As I said in a previous post, the previous editions are down that hall to the left.  The days of the God Wizards are done now, and everyone should be thankful for that.As for your part about a fat illusionist vs other guy that has really no bearing on anything in here, its how you want to play it.  My DM always required me to pass a Deception check when I was running my mouth with a few illusions to back it up.  I got my party (mostly) out of crazy amounts of trouble, and found interesting ways to bypass entire encounters with a smile and a few well placed illusions.  That's not to say I didn't use the illusionist standards like Phantasmal Killer, hell my death total with that spell alone could keep me talking for days.  But none of that required one Iota of DEX.  However, as party face (which Illusionists excel at in some cases even better than Bards) you'll get more mileage out of a successful Deception or kind word and a please than trying to play Mr Miagi with the crane.</blockquote>

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