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Is Sunder a melee attack?
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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 2149325" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>Amusingly, the FAQ says that it's listed as a standard action 'because it provokes an AoO'.</p><p></p><p>Neglecting to note that both Grapple and Disarm, which have footnote 7 and can be used once in an attack or charge action, one or more times in a full attack action, or as an AoO, also provoke AoOs.</p><p></p><p>The FAQ, therefore, is incorrect. Sunder is not listed as a standard action 'because it provokes an AoO'.</p><p></p><p>That leaves us with two alternatives - it's listed as a standard action because someone screwed up, in the 3E PHB, the 3E SRD, the 3E PHB second printing, the 3E PHB errata, the d20 Modern PHB, the 3.5 PHB, the 3.5 SRD, and the 3.5 PHB errata; or it's listed as a standard action because it's a standard action.</p><p></p><p>The text makes sense either way. If sunder is a standard action, per the table, then when you take that action, you can use a melee attack to strike blah blah blah.</p><p></p><p>So since there's no contradiction, why go out of our way to assume that there's an error that's made it through all those documents, and then base our ruling on that assumption of error? Why not use the rule as it appears in the official rulebook?</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 2149325, member: 1656"] Amusingly, the FAQ says that it's listed as a standard action 'because it provokes an AoO'. Neglecting to note that both Grapple and Disarm, which have footnote 7 and can be used once in an attack or charge action, one or more times in a full attack action, or as an AoO, also provoke AoOs. The FAQ, therefore, is incorrect. Sunder is not listed as a standard action 'because it provokes an AoO'. That leaves us with two alternatives - it's listed as a standard action because someone screwed up, in the 3E PHB, the 3E SRD, the 3E PHB second printing, the 3E PHB errata, the d20 Modern PHB, the 3.5 PHB, the 3.5 SRD, and the 3.5 PHB errata; or it's listed as a standard action because it's a standard action. The text makes sense either way. If sunder is a standard action, per the table, then when you take that action, you can use a melee attack to strike blah blah blah. So since there's no contradiction, why go out of our way to assume that there's an error that's made it through all those documents, and then base our ruling on that assumption of error? Why not use the rule as it appears in the official rulebook? -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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