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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 2943647" data-attributes="member: 3929">MANYSHOTBenefit: As a standard action...SunderYou can use a melee attack...The comparison is fallacious. Manyshot explicitly requires a Standard Action. Sunder does not. You cannot use a Standard Action as part of a Full Attack; you may use multiple attack actions as part of a Full Attack. This is what Sunder uses, and what iterative attacks are.Yes, Sunder is a standard action. So is a melee attack. You do not argue that you always require a Standard action to use a melee attack; Full Attack and the Multiple Attacks entry specifically allows them. So, if you need a melee attack to use Sunder, and Full Attacks allow you to use your multiple melee attacks, then Full Attacking allows you to Sunder multiple times.This is not an extension of my argument. A Full Attack does not use a melee attack. It is an action that allows multiple attack actions by virtue of BAB, TWF, special abilities, maigc, double weapons, et cetera. In order for what you suggest to work, you would have to use a Full Attack as a Melee Attack Action, then use that Full Attack to attack and then as a Melee attack action make a Full Attack. You do not use a melee attack to make a Full Attack.Similarly, a Sunder uses a melee attack. Multiple melee attacks via whatever means are provided by a Full Attack. One of those available melee attacks can be used to Sunder, of which all you need is a melee attack.</blockquote>

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