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Message: <blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus2" data-source="post: 2945163" data-attributes="member: 11586">That's Infinity wanting to throw out the tables.  I just commented that the tables (perhaps I should have specified this table in particular) are there for convience.  The tables can not always hold all the information available.  The text certain can.  So why they chose to insert Standard Action as the action you need to take for Sunder in the table and not the text is beyond me.But this is speculation by me in regards to what the table(s) are used for.  I don't think Wizards specifically defined the use for tables.The real heart of the matter is that Sunder is defined as a Standard Action in the table, and as a melee attack (which is NOT limited to being a Standard Action alone) in the text.It is no more ambiguous than the wording for Trip and Disarm, yet they are not defined as Standard Actions in the table.  And the other similiar attack actions such as Aid Another and Overrun ARE defined as Standard Actions in BOTH the text and table.  Hence why people often question this.  So either this table in particular is being used to redefine certain actions that the text is leaving out, or it is not.  If it truly is a Standard Action, why is the wording of the text for Sunder not the same as the wording for Aid Another and Overrun (for example)?  The text for Aid Another should then read "As a melee attack, you may choose to..." and then in the table have Aid Another listed as a Standard Action.</blockquote>

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