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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 2951919" data-attributes="member: 3929">I am suggesting that the only time you make a melee attack action is by using a Standard Action, yes. "Melee Attack" is a game term, and it is listed under Standard Acitons. It is seperate and distinct from Multiple Attacks (which references Full Attack Action).It would work similar to Manyshot, per the core rules. Manyshot requires a standard action. Sunder requires a melee attack action, which is a Standard Action, and is not eligible for Multiple Attacks because of the lack of Footnote 7 and the lack of a text description allowing it as in Grapple.It is not irrelevant, merely redundant.Grapple has both footnote 7 and a text allowance, thus you may use it in iterative attacks.Trip and Disarm have footnote 7, but no text allowance, so you may use it in iterative attacks.Sunder has neither footnote 7 nor a text allowance, so you may not use it in iterative attacks.If you're testing for the robustness of the text and table, assuming that one of them is wrong will show you that they are not robust at all; you assumed the problem into the system. But if you ask, "Assuming the text and the table are both correct, does this work?"And it turns out that it does work.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The Sunder description refers to a game term defined as a Standard action pages earlier in the same chapter.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Table 8-2 defines Sunder as a standard action.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Footnote 7 allows actions that would normally require a Standard action by virtue of their using a melee attack action to replace iterative attacks gained by various means.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sunder lacks footnote 7, and so may not be used in iterative attacks.</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sunder lacks a text allowance similar to Grapple's that would permit it to be used in iterative attacks.</li> </ul>So if the text and the table can work together without conflict, why assume the problem?</blockquote>

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