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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 2954248" data-attributes="member: 3929">Page 139.Standard Actions--AttackMaking an attack is a standard action.Melee Attack: <snip>There are two things that allow special attacks* to be used every time you make a melee attack: specific textual allowance** and Footnote 7. Otherwise "make a melee attack" refers to a defined game term on page 139 that is a Standard action.* Sunder, Grapple, Trip, Disarm, Bullrush, Overrun, Feint, Throw Splash Weapon, Charge, Mounted Combat, Turn/Rebuke Undead, Two-Weapon Fighting** p 156: "If you get multiple attacks, you can attempt to start a grapple multiple times (at successively lower base attack bonuses).---You want to know what a melee attack action is? The section heading is Standard Actions. This implies that all things listed underneath are actions. Otherwise it would say, Standard Action, and tell you all the things you can do with that action. But it does not.The first sub-heading is Attack. This must refer to one of the actions the heading was talking about. So now we have an Attack Action. The next sub-heading is Melee Attack. So you use an Attack Action for melee, you now have a melee Attack Action. Does this satisfy you?Which is a specifically defined game term on page 139 and is a Standard Action.If you do not use the table, you are quite right. Of the two available interpretations, yours and mine, they are both reasonable considering only the text. However, when the table is introduced, your reading requires that the table is mistaken while mine does not. You must assume the table is wrong for your reading to work. If there is no way to reconcile the text with the table, then the text wins out and you are correct. This is not the case, however; the text and the table are reconcileable. This possibility, with the core being in agreement with itself, is then the rule as it is written.You're right: under Sunder it never does say "melee attack action". It does refers to a defined game term which is one of the Attack Actions. Specifically a melee Attack Action.And me thrice.You do know that I agree that Sundering should be allowed in a Full Attack. I just feel that the best way about it is to make it explicit and scribble in a "7" on table 8-2. That's all it takes. To do it otherwise is to assume that the core rules are wrong when you don't have to make that assumption at all. There's no benefit to it, and ultimately easier to write a "7". It's either a 7, or you assume the core rules are wrong. Which suits you?</blockquote>

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