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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8615577" data-attributes="member: 67338">back pre covid (the only judge of time I have... was it 4 weeks or 4 years ago, I can't recall... but it was before my life got thrown for a loop and mask mandates) I joined a game at a gaming store and found what I think was the worst built character... and nobody was helping the poor kid make it more fun.Game was rolled stats (a big clue to not careing about balance) and the kid had rolled a 17 and a 16 so he wasn't behind the curve on stats. he was sorcerer. But he wanted to use a great sword. So he put his 17 in Str and 16 in dex... and a 12 in Cha. He then took 5 levels of sorcerer and took his feat as weapon prof. He spent the first 10ish sessions (long before I joined at 5th level) unable to hit because of non prof, and his spells all sucked.&nbsp; Other players openly made fun of him at the table. He was about to quit (and since this was his first game he hated it) when I suggested he be allowed to reconfigure his character... the DM said he had to die to reroll, so I talked to him about what he wanted... and we let his character die and remade it with the same concept. This time he rolled a little worse (3 15s but no 16s or 17s) I showed him eldritch knight and he went Str Con and Int 15 (well 16s he was a reg human) and become WAY happier and wasn't the butt of jokes anymore.&nbsp;&nbsp; he was like 16ish (I know he was old enough to be driven by his mom to teh store but going to get license and already had a permit so some late teen)however I will add I have seen people who through 7 different edition/variations of the game do play against type and have fun. (a dwarven abjurer with mostly buff spells and a higher con/str then int, a wis based archer fighter, a warlord with an 9 str) however those are normally advance players who know what they are doing and are going out of there way to find loopholes.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8615577, member: 67338"] back pre covid (the only judge of time I have... was it 4 weeks or 4 years ago, I can't recall... but it was before my life got thrown for a loop and mask mandates) I joined a game at a gaming store and found what I think was the worst built character... and nobody was helping the poor kid make it more fun. Game was rolled stats (a big clue to not careing about balance) and the kid had rolled a 17 and a 16 so he wasn't behind the curve on stats. he was sorcerer. But he wanted to use a great sword. So he put his 17 in Str and 16 in dex... and a 12 in Cha. He then took 5 levels of sorcerer and took his feat as weapon prof. He spent the first 10ish sessions (long before I joined at 5th level) unable to hit because of non prof, and his spells all sucked. Other players openly made fun of him at the table. He was about to quit (and since this was his first game he hated it) when I suggested he be allowed to reconfigure his character... the DM said he had to die to reroll, so I talked to him about what he wanted... and we let his character die and remade it with the same concept. This time he rolled a little worse (3 15s but no 16s or 17s) I showed him eldritch knight and he went Str Con and Int 15 (well 16s he was a reg human) and become WAY happier and wasn't the butt of jokes anymore. he was like 16ish (I know he was old enough to be driven by his mom to teh store but going to get license and already had a permit so some late teen) however I will add I have seen people who through 7 different edition/variations of the game do play against type and have fun. (a dwarven abjurer with mostly buff spells and a higher con/str then int, a wis based archer fighter, a warlord with an 9 str) however those are normally advance players who know what they are doing and are going out of there way to find loopholes. [/QUOTE]

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