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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 74294" data-attributes="member: 177">Psionicist:Putting aside your ad hominem approach for the moment...Correct me if I'm wrong, but I wasn't under the impression that you personally did the configurations for this server.&nbsp; If you did, fine, then I'll accept that you are right.&nbsp; However, if you didn't, then the fact that you can get it to run as you say is irrelevant.&nbsp; The fact that it can be done perfectly doesn't prove it was done perfectly.&nbsp; I don't doub that vBulletin can run perfectly.&nbsp; I don't doubt that you can get it to do so.&nbsp; Your contention is that the only way for it to run is perfectly, and that I serously doubt.&nbsp; You have given no actual evidence to dispel that doubt.&nbsp; Now, about your approach...You opened your post by naming me one of an unspecified &quot;Them&quot; for an unspecified reason.&nbsp; That is clearly ad hominem - attacking the person rather than the actual points.&nbsp; Similarly for telling me what I do or don't know how to do before you actually ask.&nbsp; A naive reader may fall for this tactic, but in actuality you give no supportive facts to your claims in doing so.&nbsp; Rather than actually discuss the topic, you dismiss and belittle.&nbsp; In general, it's a shabby way to treat another board member.Compare this to my roommate who makes top dollar designing complicated web sites and applications.&nbsp; Before I posted, he treated me like an intelligent, rational human being, and gave me an hour and a half tutorial on how Windows servers and vBulletin operate and a number of ways things could go wrong.I have two conflicting opinions - one from someone who was rude, and grandstanding, another from someone who actually discussed the matter and gave support other than an authoritative, &quot;I say so&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sorry, Psionicist, but you lose.&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't know what caused the observed problems, but I do know that you have completely failed to convince me that configuration could not be the culprit.&nbsp; You will continue to fail to convince me so long as you continue using your current methods of &quot;discussion&quot;.&nbsp; I have nothing further to say on the matter.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 74294, member: 177"] Psionicist: Putting aside your [i]ad hominem[/i] approach for the moment... Correct me if I'm wrong, but I wasn't under the impression that you personally did the configurations for this server. If you did, fine, then I'll accept that you are right. However, if you didn't, then the fact that you can get it to run as you say is irrelevant. The fact that it can be done perfectly doesn't prove it [i]was[/i] done perfectly. I don't doub that vBulletin can run perfectly. I don't doubt that you can get it to do so. Your contention is that the [i]only[/i] way for it to run is perfectly, and that I serously doubt. You have given no actual evidence to dispel that doubt. Now, about your approach... You opened your post by naming me one of an unspecified "Them" for an unspecified reason. That is clearly [i]ad hominem[/i] - attacking the person rather than the actual points. Similarly for telling me what I do or don't know how to do before you actually ask. A naive reader may fall for this tactic, but in actuality you give no supportive facts to your claims in doing so. Rather than actually discuss the topic, you dismiss and belittle. In general, it's a shabby way to treat another board member. Compare this to my roommate who makes top dollar designing complicated web sites and applications. Before I posted, he treated me like an intelligent, rational human being, and gave me an hour and a half tutorial on how Windows servers and vBulletin operate and a number of ways things could go wrong. I have two conflicting opinions - one from someone who was rude, and grandstanding, another from someone who actually discussed the matter and gave support other than an authoritative, "I say so". Sorry, Psionicist, but you lose. I don't know what caused the observed problems, but I do know that you have completely failed to convince me that configuration could not be the culprit. You will continue to fail to convince me so long as you continue using your current methods of "discussion". I have nothing further to say on the matter. [/QUOTE]

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