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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8648977" data-attributes="member: 67338">I wonder if people who think 5mwd can easly and always be worked around are also people who just handwave extra powers that make no sense... I keep hearing (reading) &quot;natural common sense consequences&quot;&nbsp; but then acting like the players could not see these consequences coming and plan work around them...it's like the players don't have traps, or people on guard or allies or safe spaces ever...even with high level magic. a party of a druid, wizard, warlock, bard can cover every base a fighter cleric wizard rogue can but also have 3 full casters and a &quot;I can't believe it's not a full caster&quot; if on of them dipped into fighter for a level or two they give up a level of spell for action surge (a fun equalizer).&nbsp; If you have a 5th party member as an artificer or half caster combat class (ranger/paliden/whatever) I don't see how 'I ambush them in the morning' helps in the slightest...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8648977, member: 67338"] I wonder if people who think 5mwd can easly and always be worked around are also people who just handwave extra powers that make no sense... I keep hearing (reading) "natural common sense consequences" but then acting like the players could not see these consequences coming and plan work around them... it's like the players don't have traps, or people on guard or allies or safe spaces ever...even with high level magic. a party of a druid, wizard, warlock, bard can cover every base a fighter cleric wizard rogue can but also have 3 full casters and a "I can't believe it's not a full caster" if on of them dipped into fighter for a level or two they give up a level of spell for action surge (a fun equalizer). If you have a 5th party member as an artificer or half caster combat class (ranger/paliden/whatever) I don't see how 'I ambush them in the morning' helps in the slightest... [/QUOTE]

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