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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8649578" data-attributes="member: 93670">That sounds like quite the game.Players: &quot;let's go back the way we came, we should try to rest up&quot;Gm: &quot;that's not an option&quot;Players: &quot;why not?&quot;Gm: &quot;it's risky&quot;Players: &quot;and?... How does that stop us?&quot;Gm: &quot;well... It's just not always an option&quot;Players: &quot;I don't care... I look down the passage we came in from, what do I see that makes it not an option?&quot;The players are moving back to an area they already cleared, even reinforcements only goes so far until you either go back to the monster spawner problems already discussed or resort to a mogudishu style bloodbath where the players have somehow managed to become mortal enemies of an entire city coming at them from all directions.&nbsp; Both of those are cards the GM can employ sparingly but the rules of 5e itself are very much structured in such a way that makes them little more than a bluff when played by the GM.&nbsp; When the players say &quot;I don't care, we take a rest&quot; it's almost certain for them to be successful even if they need to follow it with &quot;so anyways, lets pull back to hunker down for a rest&quot; after dealing with yet another interruption.That structured certainty of a rest whenever desired by one or more adamant players willing to say &quot;I don't care&quot; or&nbsp; &quot;My character doesn't care&quot; persists up until the GM crosses a line into either killerGM&nbsp; &quot;<a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RocksFallEveryoneDies" target="_blank">rocks fall, everyone dies</a>&quot; where that/those players are daring the GM to TPK them in some kind of suicidal MAD daring the gm to <a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShootTheShaggyDog" target="_blank">shoot the shaggy dog</a> or extreme fiat simply stating &quot;you can't&quot;.&nbsp; Yes those players exist, [USER=6777378]@Iry[/USER] spotlighted them earlier in <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/is-the-5-min-work-day-a-feature-or-a-bug.688870/post-8647611" target="_blank">post111</a>.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8649578, member: 93670"] That sounds like quite the game. Players: "let's go back the way we came, we should try to rest up" Gm: "that's not an option" Players: "why not?" Gm: "it's risky" Players: "and?... How does that stop us?" Gm: "well... It's just not always an option" Players: "I don't care... I look down the passage we came in from, what do I see that makes it not an option?" The players are moving back to an area they already cleared, even reinforcements only goes so far until you either go back to the monster spawner problems already discussed or resort to a mogudishu style bloodbath where the players have somehow managed to become mortal enemies of an entire city coming at them from all directions. Both of those are cards the GM can employ sparingly but the rules of 5e itself are very much structured in such a way that makes them little more than a bluff when played by the GM. When the players say "I don't care, we take a rest" it's almost certain for them to be successful even if they need to follow it with "so anyways, lets pull back to hunker down for a rest" after dealing with yet another interruption. That structured certainty of a rest whenever desired by one or more adamant players willing to say [I]"I don't care"[/I] or [I]"My character doesn't care" [/I]persists up until the GM crosses a line into either killerGM "[URL='https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RocksFallEveryoneDies']rocks fall, everyone dies[/URL]" where that/those players are daring the GM to TPK them in some kind of suicidal MAD daring the gm to [URL='https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShootTheShaggyDog']shoot the shaggy dog[/URL] or extreme fiat simply stating "you can't". Yes those players exist, [USER=6777378]@Iry[/USER] spotlighted them earlier in [URL='https://www.enworld.org/threads/is-the-5-min-work-day-a-feature-or-a-bug.688870/post-8647611']post111[/URL]. [/QUOTE]

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