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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8649746" data-attributes="member: 93670">There is a problem with treating it as a &quot;the group&quot; thing given 5e's mechanics &amp; there is even another thread about it that started around the sa,e time this did.&nbsp; When a couple players dedicated to nova&gt;rest&gt;nova&gt;rest 5mwd are in a group it's a very high burden to expect other players to step in as the killjoy for Alice &amp; Bob Murderhobo.&nbsp; As a result those players are left holding onto resources (superiority dice/spellslots/etc) just in case a situation comes around where they will get a chance&nbsp; to shine with their deeper reserves pulling the group out of a fire.&nbsp; Unfortunately for those players 5e's 6-8 encounter tuning for PCs gives Alice &amp; bob the muderhobo such a deep pool that such situations are very unlikely to ever happen given the way rules are structured to enable the every need of Alice &amp; Bob Murderhobo's desire to nova&gt;rest&gt;repeat.If even one player is holding back in prep for trouble or playing a class on a different rest cycle from Alice &amp; Bob Murderhobo&nbsp; it goes from &quot;the group doesn't care&quot; to &quot;That player/Those players aren't willing to be the killjoy with players glaring daggers at them.&quot;&nbsp; At that point the way 5e is setup to encourage it while making it difficult to deal with is playing Lucy &amp; the football with those players.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8649746, member: 93670"] There is a problem with treating it as a "the group" thing given 5e's mechanics & there is even another thread about it that started around the sa,e time this did. When a couple players dedicated to nova>rest>nova>rest 5mwd are in a group it's a very high burden to expect other players to step in as the killjoy for Alice & Bob Murderhobo. As a result those players are left holding onto resources (superiority dice/spellslots/etc) just in case a situation comes around where they will get a chance to shine with their deeper reserves pulling the group out of a fire. Unfortunately for those players 5e's 6-8 encounter tuning for PCs gives Alice & bob the muderhobo such a deep pool that such situations are very unlikely to ever happen given the way rules are structured to enable the every need of Alice & Bob Murderhobo's desire to nova>rest>repeat. If even one player is holding back in prep for trouble or playing a class on a different rest cycle from Alice & Bob Murderhobo it goes from "the group doesn't care" to "That player/Those players aren't willing to be the killjoy with players glaring daggers at them." At that point the way 5e is setup to encourage it while making it difficult to deal with is playing Lucy & the football with those players. [/QUOTE]

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