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<blockquote data-quote="teitan" data-source="post: 8639297" data-attributes="member: 3457"><p>A little, for a little while? Maybe? Depends on if the compatibility is 2e to 2e revised or even 3e to 3.5. </p><p></p><p>If they go how they went with MotM? probably not. While I am firmly against how they handled that book and what it is in regards to it being reprint material that PROBABLY should have waited until after the revision came out and thought out better and then pulling Volo's and ToF off of D&D Beyond, essentially stripping the lore out digitally, it's a step forward in design for 5e while also remaining wholly in line with the baseline PHB. If these are the sorts of revisions we can expect in the new books then it won't split the base but 5revised will be a slower burn sell. Meaning it will be a slower, more casual adoption. PHB will sell pretty quick and the DMG and Monster Manual will sell much lower than the current edition because they will be in less remand. This would be on par with a 1e to 2e conversion where essentially not a lot changed and a 1e monster was just fine against 2e characters, there wasn't a lot of shuffling to figure out how to adjust things on the fly in a 1e adventure with 2e characters. That's if they bring the races in line with MotM and the classes in line with Xanathar and Tasha's, which, with the gift set being such a big deal, I don't think those two books and Fizban's are going to be "wiped". I think the PHB stuff will be brought in line to the presentation in those two books and the campaign settings. Nothing from them will be in the PHB except maybe the Artificer with 2 new sub-classes. </p><p></p><p>If it is on par with 3e-3.5 it will be a faster adoption. Just enough tweaks to make conversion difficult on the fly but not enough to make people mad and actually address some of the issues in 5e? All three books will be purchased quickly. Pathfinder did the exact same strategy as 3.5, change enough to smooth out some rough spots and 3.5 players adopted it. </p><p></p><p>WHat will split the market? Attacking 5e like they did 3.5 as part of their marketing. Changing the core of the game too much. 3e succeeded because the game needed to change while acknowledging its roots and that D&D itself is the genre, not generic fantasy. They streamlined properly, they made it cohesive and easier to explain. 4e struggled in comparison because they attacked a beloved game and changed it from the ground up acting like the older stuff was something to be cherry picked and the rest was for old men in their mother's basements and gnomes were stupid. </p><p></p><p>I fully expect it to be more like 1e to 2e where they are largely the same with the tweaks being what we've seen with a couple surprises but nothing major. It's not "broke". The only failure would be if they do what TSR did when they did the revised 2e books and actually made them uglier. This will mean slower sales on the DMG and MM but the PHB will be a hot item and the former 2 will take about a year or so to really show teeth after a big initial sales hit. If they release too many products a year though, sales will fall flat on them. The rapid clip release schedule will short the game's lifepan.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="teitan, post: 8639297, member: 3457"] A little, for a little while? Maybe? Depends on if the compatibility is 2e to 2e revised or even 3e to 3.5. If they go how they went with MotM? probably not. While I am firmly against how they handled that book and what it is in regards to it being reprint material that PROBABLY should have waited until after the revision came out and thought out better and then pulling Volo's and ToF off of D&D Beyond, essentially stripping the lore out digitally, it's a step forward in design for 5e while also remaining wholly in line with the baseline PHB. If these are the sorts of revisions we can expect in the new books then it won't split the base but 5revised will be a slower burn sell. Meaning it will be a slower, more casual adoption. PHB will sell pretty quick and the DMG and Monster Manual will sell much lower than the current edition because they will be in less remand. This would be on par with a 1e to 2e conversion where essentially not a lot changed and a 1e monster was just fine against 2e characters, there wasn't a lot of shuffling to figure out how to adjust things on the fly in a 1e adventure with 2e characters. That's if they bring the races in line with MotM and the classes in line with Xanathar and Tasha's, which, with the gift set being such a big deal, I don't think those two books and Fizban's are going to be "wiped". I think the PHB stuff will be brought in line to the presentation in those two books and the campaign settings. Nothing from them will be in the PHB except maybe the Artificer with 2 new sub-classes. If it is on par with 3e-3.5 it will be a faster adoption. Just enough tweaks to make conversion difficult on the fly but not enough to make people mad and actually address some of the issues in 5e? All three books will be purchased quickly. Pathfinder did the exact same strategy as 3.5, change enough to smooth out some rough spots and 3.5 players adopted it. WHat will split the market? Attacking 5e like they did 3.5 as part of their marketing. Changing the core of the game too much. 3e succeeded because the game needed to change while acknowledging its roots and that D&D itself is the genre, not generic fantasy. They streamlined properly, they made it cohesive and easier to explain. 4e struggled in comparison because they attacked a beloved game and changed it from the ground up acting like the older stuff was something to be cherry picked and the rest was for old men in their mother's basements and gnomes were stupid. I fully expect it to be more like 1e to 2e where they are largely the same with the tweaks being what we've seen with a couple surprises but nothing major. It's not "broke". The only failure would be if they do what TSR did when they did the revised 2e books and actually made them uglier. This will mean slower sales on the DMG and MM but the PHB will be a hot item and the former 2 will take about a year or so to really show teeth after a big initial sales hit. If they release too many products a year though, sales will fall flat on them. The rapid clip release schedule will short the game's lifepan. [/QUOTE]
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