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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 4498388" data-attributes="member: 5834">reI see. You did what we did for end game encounters. If you did that for standard encounters, I can see you having a slower day in 3E.3E had alot of poor encounter design and the EL/CR system was a very inexact, highly inaccurate measure of the toughness of an encounter. I never did understand how they could rate an NPC with a PC class as a CR equal to there level. I don't know how they expected groups of humanoids, even Giants, to beat a fully armed party with casters.Haste itself was such a powerful spell even in 3.5 that it made melees into fleshmowers that massacred large groups of tough melee mobs in a few rounds. Couples that with archmage level power and most encounters were a cakewalk unless they were very well designed. That is one area of 4E I greatly appreciate. The simplicity of encounter design and the emphasis on designing encounters with the idea of having creatures that employ teamwork like striker/soldier and controller/soldier combinations. It makes for a much more interesting fight than mow down the mass of melee mobs for a ton of xp.As much as I like the 4E options for melee, the real problem characters in 3E were the fighters with two-handed weapons and power attack. I couldn't believe how much damage they did. I'm glad the fighters damage has been brought back to an appropriate level. It makes encounter design easier.</blockquote>