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Is the Assassin's Death Attack an 'evil act'?
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<blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 3230527" data-attributes="member: 13966"><p>For some odd reason, folks forget or fail to realize that this rule DID NOT originate in Complete Warrior; it was in the original 3.0 DMG's description of prestige classes. That being, if a character no longer meets the prerequisites of their prestige class, they lose all class features of that PrC (but not HD, HP, BAB, skills, etc.).</p><p></p><p><em>(mini-rant alert)</em> <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /> </p><p></p><p>But of course, given the shoddy and haphazard "Let's change everything we can get away with so we can feel justified in calling it a Revision, and people will waste their money on it!" 3.5 revision project, folks didn't bother to reference the original 3.0 rulebooks before re-doing entire chapters and junk, so things were accidentally omitted from the 3.5 core books.</p><p></p><p>And of course, that same <em>wonderful</em> quality of work shines through in the almost-verbatim copies of such things as the Frenzied Berserker, Shugenja, and Wu Jen in 3.5 "Complete" (imagine the most sarcastic voice used here) rulebooks, without regard to actually <em>revising</em> them as expected, based on their original forms' over- or under-powered statuses.</p><p></p><p>(sarcasm=on) Yup. I <em>love</em> 3.5 design philosophy. (/sarcasm) Bloat, power-creep, and haphazard copy-paste jobs, with the occasional minor tweak applied in afterthought. What mistakes were made with 3.0 were purely born of the adjustment to the then-new d20 System. 3.5 has no such excuse. Of course, I blame management more than anything else, as I'm sure the designers would do fine without such hectic writing schedules and short deadlines. The 3E designers are great, for the most part certainly, but.....</p><p></p><p><em>(/mini-rant)</em> *retreats back into his hermit hole* :\</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arkhandus, post: 3230527, member: 13966"] For some odd reason, folks forget or fail to realize that this rule DID NOT originate in Complete Warrior; it was in the original 3.0 DMG's description of prestige classes. That being, if a character no longer meets the prerequisites of their prestige class, they lose all class features of that PrC (but not HD, HP, BAB, skills, etc.). [I](mini-rant alert)[/I] :heh: But of course, given the shoddy and haphazard "Let's change everything we can get away with so we can feel justified in calling it a Revision, and people will waste their money on it!" 3.5 revision project, folks didn't bother to reference the original 3.0 rulebooks before re-doing entire chapters and junk, so things were accidentally omitted from the 3.5 core books. And of course, that same [I]wonderful[/I] quality of work shines through in the almost-verbatim copies of such things as the Frenzied Berserker, Shugenja, and Wu Jen in 3.5 "Complete" (imagine the most sarcastic voice used here) rulebooks, without regard to actually [I]revising[/I] them as expected, based on their original forms' over- or under-powered statuses. (sarcasm=on) Yup. I [I]love[/I] 3.5 design philosophy. (/sarcasm) Bloat, power-creep, and haphazard copy-paste jobs, with the occasional minor tweak applied in afterthought. What mistakes were made with 3.0 were purely born of the adjustment to the then-new d20 System. 3.5 has no such excuse. Of course, I blame management more than anything else, as I'm sure the designers would do fine without such hectic writing schedules and short deadlines. The 3E designers are great, for the most part certainly, but..... [I](/mini-rant)[/I] *retreats back into his hermit hole* :\ [/QUOTE]
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