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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Primitive Screwhead" data-source="post: 2809309" data-attributes="member: 20805">No, thats the age old argument of "Its imposssible to create a socially skilled class that works in virtually every game because every player/DM combination will treat it differently."You want the Bard to "kick @$$ outside of using Bluff, Diplomacy, or Intimidate."Yup, compare the Bard fighting against how well the Fighter does his thing.. he sucks.Compare the Bard against the Wizard at spell casting.. he sucks.Bard vs Cleric at buffing.. sucksBard vs Rogue {who spent skill points that way} at Diplomancy.. sucksCorrect me if I am reading this wrong, but you want a Bard who can handle himself in combat close to the same as a Fighter, has support role type abilitys on par with the Cleric, has skillz in keeping with the Rogue, and fits the poor man's Mage with spell progression?What is the Bard's thing? being able to fill the gap, doing at least enough to get by at fighting, casting, buffing, and is naturally talented at diplomancy. PARTY SUPPORTThe only way to prove you wrong, as I noted in the post you quoted above, is to play alongside you at a DM's table who caters to the fact that a Bard is in play. Then you might see how the Bard can be a powerful force within the party... or maybe you might not as you are having too much fun hitting more often, avoiding some nasty combats, and having an additional caster backing your play, and the virtually everpresent morale bonuses  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> I dropped from that thread back last month... which is about the same time the last "irrational idea of bard adequacy" was mentioned... not sure why you are posting this thread now....Christmas day debate maybe  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Checking back over the thread..  Seems you went with D8 HD, 3/4 BAB progression, some additional Bardic Songs and a plethora of feats. That puts the Bard about even with the Cleric.. of whom I have heard once or twice is the most 'broken' of the core classes. Add in the normal skill class list and a capable player..  hehehe..  I have gotten DM's frustrated with using the Core bardic abilities. I would have a field day with this!  <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/paranoid.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":uhoh:" title="Paranoid    :uhoh:" data-shortname=":uhoh:" /></blockquote>

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