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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Firebeetle" data-source="post: 2809899" data-attributes="member: 34506">But why are social skills equated with other abilities.  Honestly, they don't have that great of an impact on the game and you know it.That's right, he sucks all the way around. 24/7I shall correct.  My 3.51 bard fights better than before, but still can't rival a fighter, can't compete with a Cleric for support but does better, still has they same problem rivaling a rogue (although the suggested Perform skill fix may help this) and doesn't have any spells at all.  I think the 3.5 bard sucks and needs fixing, not super-sizing.I disagree.  I don't think they should "get by", but rather have a chance to excel in a "bardy" way.  Bards should create situations that engender roleplaying and are unexpected. I definately don't see him as a party band-aid. That role regulates him to eternal suckdom forever.As for party support, I think expanding on his bardic music abilities is enough.On the contrary, I do favor bards as a GM and they still don't last long.  That last one didn't even last a whole session.  I try to give them every opportunity, and yet they still managed to get squished.I think a truer test is how my 3.51+ does in an anti-bard DM's campaign.No, just got tired of "Bard are OK sometimes" posts in a working thread.  Detracts from the goal of a better bard tomorrow.Please feel free to use it and give some feedback.  Note the 3.51 BAB is not changed at all and d8 HD is not a big change.  I DON'T think it's on par with a Cleric yet.  In fact, I don't think it's on par with a rogue or monk, which are my main comparisons.</blockquote>

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