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<blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 2811247" data-attributes="member: 17296">Now, personally, I see this as a big problem. When someone starts out with &quot;Given: The bard is underpowered and needs to be fixed.&quot; And then asks for opinions on how to &quot;fix&quot; it, that person is not asking to be told the bard is fine.And doing so is extrememly counterproductive and at least a little rude, at least beyond a token &quot;I disagree, but if I agreed I'd do the following&quot;.I mean, stick to the point when there are points like this. The point wasn't &quot;I have an opinion, show me where it's wrong&quot; it's &quot;Treat this as a fact, and help me&quot;. I think that people should either help with his alleged fact or get off it already.&nbsp; Now, I'm as up for a good arguement on facts as the next guy, but I really hate it when ppl almost maliciously attempt to derail people like that.IF someone thinks the sky isn't blue enough and wants help making it blue-er, it's counter productive to point at him and shout &quot;The sky is too blue! TOO BLUE ALREADY!!&quot; And even simple opinions that the sky is blue enough are the opposite of helpful.So saying, I have no opinions on how to improve the bard, and in general I've improved the class by calling it an NPC class, where it's power level is indeed rather high. There are only a few bards, and they service royalty in general, and they are in charge of large armies. Where they belong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ARandomGod, post: 2811247, member: 17296"] Now, personally, I see this as a big problem. When someone starts out with "Given: The bard is underpowered and needs to be fixed." And then asks for opinions on how to "fix" it, that person is not asking to be told the bard is fine. And doing so is extrememly counterproductive and at least a little rude, at least beyond a token "I disagree, but if I agreed I'd do the following". I mean, stick to the point when there are points like this. The point wasn't "I have an opinion, show me where it's wrong" it's "Treat this as a fact, and help me". I think that people should either help with his alleged fact or get off it already. Now, I'm as up for a good arguement on facts as the next guy, but I really hate it when ppl almost maliciously attempt to derail people like that. IF someone thinks the sky isn't blue enough and wants help making it blue-er, it's counter productive to point at him and shout "The sky is too blue! TOO BLUE ALREADY!!" And even simple opinions that the sky is blue enough are the opposite of helpful. So saying, I have no opinions on how to improve the bard, and in general I've improved the class by calling it an NPC class, where it's power level is indeed rather high. There are only a few bards, and they service royalty in general, and they are in charge of large armies. Where they belong. [/QUOTE]

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