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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Firebeetle" data-source="post: 2812860" data-attributes="member: 34506">AGAIN with the attributes.  I wasn't going to stoop to defending myself, but best to clear the record.A.) I love bards.  Always have, always will.  I played bard in 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 3.5, along with bard clones in GURPS, Talislanta, and even in Champions.  Just because I love something doesn't mean I can't criticize it.  To paraphrase a famous quote "I love my class and reserve the right to criticize it perpetually." I want a bard class that doesn't consist of overcoming suckage to shine, which everybody here seems to revel in.B.) I am the zero level spell king, hands down.  I've had DMs give me magic items with zero level spells just to see what I would do with them.  One time I defeated a small mephit with presdigitation (well, it was the blow that knocked him out.) Plenty of creativity there.C.) Of course it doesn't have fireball, why should it?  I don't want a wizard, on the contrary, I want a bardic spell list with BARDIC SPELLS.  We have a hand-me-down spell list with spells that don't really belong to our class (some happen to fit well) and for the most part are not powerful as written.Once again, if you want to personally attack me, please do so via e-mail.No it doesn't, the class I've proposed in the other thread is definately not a wizard and has different fighting abilities than a fighter. I shall not be "going on", thank you very much.</blockquote>

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