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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 6386310" data-attributes="member: 87792"><p>If that was what Remarkable Athlete did you'd have a point. It isn't.</p><p></p><p>First, Jack of All Trades comes at second level. Remarkable Athlete comes at 7th. Second there are such a thing as skills.</p><p></p><p>A "Remarkable Athlete" can <em>never</em> be a superior athlete. Either they are trained in Athletics (in which case they get diddly squat for their athletics from Remarkable Athlete) or they are a second rate Athlete (in which case they are decent - but not as good as someone with a skill proficiency in athletics). Likewise Stealth. Most out of combat rolls are in my experience skill rolls. And Remarkable Athlete only puts you in the band of "The person you call on when you do not have someone trained in the skill". Because Skills are a thing. It helps one of your saving throws (which is good) - but you're already proficient in the other two physical stats.</p><p></p><p>Second, even if we were to accept your claim that it gives you a bonus on half your out of combat rolls then it would only do so under one specific circumstance. That all your trained skills were mental skills. And this is where being seventh level makes a large difference. Either as a fighter you spend your first six levels <em>untrained</em> in physical skills (which is weird) or you retrain - and take a penalty to all the physical skills you retrained.</p><p></p><p>Remarkable Athlete is significantly less than half of Jack of All Trades.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 6386310, member: 87792"] If that was what Remarkable Athlete did you'd have a point. It isn't. First, Jack of All Trades comes at second level. Remarkable Athlete comes at 7th. Second there are such a thing as skills. A "Remarkable Athlete" can [I]never[/I] be a superior athlete. Either they are trained in Athletics (in which case they get diddly squat for their athletics from Remarkable Athlete) or they are a second rate Athlete (in which case they are decent - but not as good as someone with a skill proficiency in athletics). Likewise Stealth. Most out of combat rolls are in my experience skill rolls. And Remarkable Athlete only puts you in the band of "The person you call on when you do not have someone trained in the skill". Because Skills are a thing. It helps one of your saving throws (which is good) - but you're already proficient in the other two physical stats. Second, even if we were to accept your claim that it gives you a bonus on half your out of combat rolls then it would only do so under one specific circumstance. That all your trained skills were mental skills. And this is where being seventh level makes a large difference. Either as a fighter you spend your first six levels [I]untrained[/I] in physical skills (which is weird) or you retrain - and take a penalty to all the physical skills you retrained. Remarkable Athlete is significantly less than half of Jack of All Trades. [/QUOTE]
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