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Is the Cleric really one of the ‘core four’ anymore?
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<blockquote data-quote="DMZ2112" data-source="post: 6500651" data-attributes="member: 78752"><p>It no longer matters. D&D is its own canon.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Are you seriously making the assertion that in the last 15 years (since the launch of the original class-glut edition) the Cleric has fallen more out of use than the <em>Fighter</em>? That the Cleric's universally superior healing skills are somehow less relevant than the Fighter's often negligible combat superiority in comparison to the Barbarian, Paladin, Ranger, and Assassin Rogue?</p><p></p><p>I question your very thesis, sir. On what are you basing this theory?</p><p></p><p>Even in 4th Edition, when the concept of Cleric or healer was conflated with the Leader role, the only consensus I heard on the topic was that the Cleric was the only truly effective Leader. By comparison, many of the Defenders who shared that role with the Fighter were far more effective in combat.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, in direct response to what I read as your intent, the cleric virtually exclusively casts spells (which can heal injury) and channels divinity (which can heal injury), while the paladin and druid <em>do other stuff that diminishes their healing capacity</em>, either directly by game balance or indirectly by providing more effective combat options for them to choose.</p><p></p><p>More importantly, the role of a priest is to administer to his or her flock. In the case of the D&D cleric, that flock is the party. Believers or not, his companions are the cleric's responsibility. The paladin's first responsibility is to smite the infidel and the druid's first responsibility is to the environment. Both classes may have minor ministration responsibilities but it is not the purpose of the class. The ministration of the cleric is part and parcel to D&D lore, regardless of its presence in irrelevant external fiction.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DMZ2112, post: 6500651, member: 78752"] It no longer matters. D&D is its own canon. Are you seriously making the assertion that in the last 15 years (since the launch of the original class-glut edition) the Cleric has fallen more out of use than the [I]Fighter[/I]? That the Cleric's universally superior healing skills are somehow less relevant than the Fighter's often negligible combat superiority in comparison to the Barbarian, Paladin, Ranger, and Assassin Rogue? I question your very thesis, sir. On what are you basing this theory? Even in 4th Edition, when the concept of Cleric or healer was conflated with the Leader role, the only consensus I heard on the topic was that the Cleric was the only truly effective Leader. By comparison, many of the Defenders who shared that role with the Fighter were far more effective in combat. Well, in direct response to what I read as your intent, the cleric virtually exclusively casts spells (which can heal injury) and channels divinity (which can heal injury), while the paladin and druid [I]do other stuff that diminishes their healing capacity[/I], either directly by game balance or indirectly by providing more effective combat options for them to choose. More importantly, the role of a priest is to administer to his or her flock. In the case of the D&D cleric, that flock is the party. Believers or not, his companions are the cleric's responsibility. The paladin's first responsibility is to smite the infidel and the druid's first responsibility is to the environment. Both classes may have minor ministration responsibilities but it is not the purpose of the class. The ministration of the cleric is part and parcel to D&D lore, regardless of its presence in irrelevant external fiction. [/QUOTE]
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