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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 6505532" data-attributes="member: 5100">I don't know how long you've been playing, but I think you're probably in line with most folks who started playing in the last 20ish years (geez, am I really that old). I was talking original concept and what Gygax claimed as the inspiration for those classes. I'm not 100% sure about the Druid, but what I said about the Cleric and Druid are my retelling of what I'd seen Gygax write. Regardless of how they've morphed, that's what their origins are. It's that reason that makes me believe that the Cleric needs a revision to Priest that re-aligns them to their current role in the same way that the original Thief has evolved into Rogue. Personally, I'd rather see the Cleric/Priest lose some of its combat effectiveness and behave more like a White Mage (I am not endorsing that as a class name) than a full caster was good combat ability. Granted, the Cleric in my current group has the Life domain (why this grants heavy armor proficiency boggles me) and took the Heavily Armored feat, so I'm not really seeing a "vanilla" 5E Cleric.Knights Templar may have been monks, from a Western perspective, but they certainly weren't D&D Monks. D&D Monks draw from a romanticized version of Shaolin monks.</blockquote>