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<blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 6508505" data-attributes="member: 1757">Don't know if I agree 100% with this; I think the issue with defensive/utility capability vs. offensive capability is more spotlight time than actual potency. Even if both help the party overcome challenges equally, the *player* may be less excited about the role his character is playing.All that said, I think that a primary spellcaster cleric is capable of dishing out plenty of damage, especially if the game were to supplement defensive and utility capabilities via domain powers. The 3e cleric is actually an interesting model here; given the right domain selection and a PrC or two, you can have a cleric that has absolutely no need to ever pick up a weapon or don armor and can still deal massive damage AND provide support.ETA: actually, the more I look at the 5e cleric the more I feel like the same emphasis is possible. In order to make a less martial default class I would just focus more on domain powers that encourage the cleric to undertake support and utility functions and allow the class to engage in some limited magical combat. Seems pretty easy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ruleslawyer, post: 6508505, member: 1757"] Don't know if I agree 100% with this; I think the issue with defensive/utility capability vs. offensive capability is more spotlight time than actual potency. Even if both help the party overcome challenges equally, the *player* may be less excited about the role his character is playing. All that said, I think that a primary spellcaster cleric is capable of dishing out plenty of damage, especially if the game were to supplement defensive and utility capabilities via domain powers. The 3e cleric is actually an interesting model here; given the right domain selection and a PrC or two, you can have a cleric that has absolutely no need to ever pick up a weapon or don armor and can still deal massive damage AND provide support. ETA: actually, the more I look at the 5e cleric the more I feel like the same emphasis is possible. In order to make a less martial default class I would just focus more on domain powers that encourage the cleric to undertake support and utility functions and allow the class to engage in some limited magical combat. Seems pretty easy. [/QUOTE]

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