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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 4897957" data-attributes="member: 71571">Your player is trying to use shinanegans.  There's players who are good at pouring through every tome and finding the complex interactions and making things work in strange arcane ways........and then there's players who are bad at it and conveniently 'forget' how rules work to make their characters do what they want.  Make no mistake, often these players are doing it on purpose.  I've had players like that, who literally make up stuff on the spot.You have to remind them that players don't have that right.At this point, I take the PHB2, toss it in front of him, and I say 'I do not accept rules-lawyering from people who have not read the rules.  Until such a time as you have proven you can do this, you are seriously killing my buzz.The reason I say this, quite honestly, is I do not understand how you came to this conclusion.  You must not have read the section that tells you -exactly- how this works.  Because if you -had-, the only motivation that you could possibly have for this is to try to use desperate emotional pleas to cheat your way into some benefit.  I am giving you the benefit of the doubt, I believe that you are not trying to cheat, by taking up a desperate argument that you KNOW isn't in the rules, but that you simply don't understand how it works.  So you have a choice.  Either you can allow me to teach you how it works, or you can read the book, learn how it works, come back, try these shinanegans again, and find out that what you want will be house ruled away from you to this method of resolution anyways.  And you'll need me to teach you the rule.'Simply put, you tell them to re-read the rules, shut down future attempts to apply these shinanegans, and you hint that you're quite aware of his shinanegans, but that you're not officially calling him a damn cheater, so therefore he must simply be a noob.And hell, if you have my players, they'll get a kick out of it.</blockquote>

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