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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7919943" data-attributes="member: 22779">Need =/= enjoy.  Having players that take that work load off of the DM can increase the DM's enjoyment simply by virtue of reducing the DM's work load.  Now, if the DM is enjoying note taking, then, fair enough.  But, not everyone enjoys note taking but, most people do agree that campaigns do require a fair degree of note making.  Additionally, a player who sits at the table to "turn their brains off" is basically just a waste of space.  They are passive consumers who contribute nothing to the game that you couldn't get from an automated die roller.  Having just had a player exactly like this leave our group, I can say that a player who is nothing but a passive consumer is one of the worst kinds of players.  They contribute so little to the game that they may as well not even be sitting there.  If you are a player like this, a player who just wants to "turn his or her brain off", quit expecting other people to entertain you.  Get off your lazy backside and actually contribute to the game or step away from the table and let someone else play who actually contributes to the game.I have so little patience for this kind of player anymore.  They just suck all the air out of the room.That's not necessarily true.  Just because someone has never run a game, it doesn't follow that if that person were to run a game or two, they would suddenly enjoy the game less.  It's just as easily true that they might find the experience more enjoyable since they are no longer just passive consumers but actual, active, contributing members of the group.Not sure that's true.  I certainly saw a huge uptick people willing to run games in 4e where DMing was so much easier than in earlier editions.  Given the MASSIVE growth of the hobby in the 5e era, the notion that "most" players just don't want to DM can't be true.  Someone is running all those new games.  Then again, I'm fortunate in that our group is full of people who run games.    Makes those who just want to play stand out so much worse to be honest because it becomes so blindingly obvious that the "passive consumer" players aren't driving anything and the campaigns inevitably revolve around the active players, all of whom have DMing experience.</blockquote>

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