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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 7927820" data-attributes="member: 48965">I am contributing to the game when I play and advocate for my character...  The minute I make a choice I am no longer passively lapping up what the DM is serving or passively sitting there.  I am playing because I enjoy the social interaction, the opportunity for the DM to respond organically to my choices and for my choices to not be confined by what the developers coded as options.I think there's a disconnect here... Not wanting to take on the responsibilities of a DM does not equate to a being a passive player lapping up whatever the DM is serving.  In playing my character and advocating for them I am in turn adding to your entertainment as a GM.  The fact that you have a particular preference for a certain type of player who participates in a specific playstyle... doesn't make those who don't share your preferences garbage players.   Well I asked because when I brought some up you said it was a strawman because you didn't specifically say all... so what exactly are we talking about here... or is this just supposed to be a general rant?You seem to be confusing DM repsonsibilities and player responsibilities (which no one in this thread is arguing against).  I'm finding it hard to follow exactly what you're arguing for. Because no one said players shouldn't take on the responsibilities of a player (creating goals for themselves, ties, etc.) we are discussing them taking on GM responsibilities... so could you clarify?Wait so choosing is creating things?? Those seem like two different things that could possibly be related in some way. A player probably doesn't do those things (at least the ones traditionally in the realm of the DM) because if they wanted to... they'd probably just run a game.Exercising choice does not equate to taking on traditional GM responsibilities... this argument isn't really making any sense at this point.Yeah and I think your argument may be a little muddled due to your personal bias... You seem to be arguing for choice and non-passive players but making choices and being non-passive doesn't equate to taking on what are traditionally considered GM responsibilities.</blockquote>

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