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<blockquote data-quote="Shade" data-source="post: 1720663" data-attributes="member: 287"><p>I am both a player and a DM in epic-level campaigns. We've played at 21st-23rd levels, and at 30th-32nd levels. The ELH provides the groundwork for running a campaign, but it will be necessary to make some modifications. However, most of the problems we've encountered can be attributed to the power-inflation of non-epic play in 3.5, which has rendered much of the epic stuff not very epic. Additionally, new supplements keep updating the epic feats, so a large number of them are not current. And the book as a whole is very 3E.</p><p> </p><p>Honestly, you can probably find enough information to play at epic levels in the 3.5 DMG. However, I'd recommend getting the ELH for the monsters, the epic usages of skills, and some of the epic prestige classes.</p><p> </p><p>I have found that the DM has to be very careful with the epic spell rules, as they can quickly throw the game out of balance. The higher-level spell slots for greater metamagic seems to work fine.</p><p> </p><p>In summary, I have found epic level play to be very fun and worthwhile. However, if you plan on using the ELH, get ready to do some serious work bringing it up to 3.5. Even with the errata and SRD, much of it is still very much 3E.</p><p> </p><p>Oh, and be ready to be treated like a red-headed stepchild if you expect much official support for epic level play. WOTC has been getting better about including a half-page to a page of epic material in some of the newer books, but outside of that, there is one issue of Dragon and one of Dungeon with epic material, and little else.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shade, post: 1720663, member: 287"] I am both a player and a DM in epic-level campaigns. We've played at 21st-23rd levels, and at 30th-32nd levels. The ELH provides the groundwork for running a campaign, but it will be necessary to make some modifications. However, most of the problems we've encountered can be attributed to the power-inflation of non-epic play in 3.5, which has rendered much of the epic stuff not very epic. Additionally, new supplements keep updating the epic feats, so a large number of them are not current. And the book as a whole is very 3E. Honestly, you can probably find enough information to play at epic levels in the 3.5 DMG. However, I'd recommend getting the ELH for the monsters, the epic usages of skills, and some of the epic prestige classes. I have found that the DM has to be very careful with the epic spell rules, as they can quickly throw the game out of balance. The higher-level spell slots for greater metamagic seems to work fine. In summary, I have found epic level play to be very fun and worthwhile. However, if you plan on using the ELH, get ready to do some serious work bringing it up to 3.5. Even with the errata and SRD, much of it is still very much 3E. Oh, and be ready to be treated like a red-headed stepchild if you expect much official support for epic level play. WOTC has been getting better about including a half-page to a page of epic material in some of the newer books, but outside of that, there is one issue of Dragon and one of Dungeon with epic material, and little else. [/QUOTE]
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