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Is the ELH a complete train wreck?
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<blockquote data-quote="BiggusGeekus" data-source="post: 1720855" data-attributes="member: 1014"><p>What's better than a rambling post of random thoughts on page four of a gaming thread? Nothing! Nothing I say! (with the possible exception of beef jerky, I love that stuff).</p><p></p><p>My take on the ELH</p><p></p><p>The blurring of the BAB/saves didn't bug me. The PrCs were kind of dull. The magic items were boring (woo-hoo. +6 instead of +5) I didnt' like the monsters as much as other people because of the beasties that have CR in the 22 range and you need to be level 24 to afford the +6 sword to hit the thing. What's the point? The adventure was terrible. I'm convinced it wasn't playtested. But I still page through the book now and then in a "oooh! level 30 looks kewl" kind of way.</p><p></p><p>Prestige class requirements simply don't matter at epic levels. I think that's fine as the core classes gain more epic level feats. Some epic level feats are boring but most are suitably crazy. Although the charisma skills are totally wacked. A 25th level bard can easily score the DC needed to bluff an evil 20th level wizard into listening to him for 10 minutes then using diplomacy to turn the evil guy into a fanatic buddy, then topping it off by getting the evil wizard to cast multiple <em>wish</em> spells on his behalf. Pretty soon, the evil wizard is a lot less powerful and the bard has an extra +5 to an ability score to make the next attempt at this trick even easier.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>PLAYER: Wow! I have enough exp for 21st level! </p><p>HONG: Huh?</p><p>PLAYER: Yep! I did it! After all these years of hoping and playing I finally achived a milestone in D&D!</p><p>HONG: Your character dies instantly of a heart attack and decomposes slowly in the rain. You can't be raised because a wandering green slime eats you, gains a level of evil cleric and turns you into an undead goo.</p><p>PLAYER: Dang.</p><p></p><p></p><p>And I doubt the game will go to 40. I think it's far more likely that they'll split up the levels as an option. So you'll have level 1, 1.1, 1.2, etc. This will be done with an eye for MMORPGs. Only sensible as PnP is becoming a testing ground for computer games in the same way comic books are becoming a testing ground for movies.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BiggusGeekus, post: 1720855, member: 1014"] What's better than a rambling post of random thoughts on page four of a gaming thread? Nothing! Nothing I say! (with the possible exception of beef jerky, I love that stuff). My take on the ELH The blurring of the BAB/saves didn't bug me. The PrCs were kind of dull. The magic items were boring (woo-hoo. +6 instead of +5) I didnt' like the monsters as much as other people because of the beasties that have CR in the 22 range and you need to be level 24 to afford the +6 sword to hit the thing. What's the point? The adventure was terrible. I'm convinced it wasn't playtested. But I still page through the book now and then in a "oooh! level 30 looks kewl" kind of way. Prestige class requirements simply don't matter at epic levels. I think that's fine as the core classes gain more epic level feats. Some epic level feats are boring but most are suitably crazy. Although the charisma skills are totally wacked. A 25th level bard can easily score the DC needed to bluff an evil 20th level wizard into listening to him for 10 minutes then using diplomacy to turn the evil guy into a fanatic buddy, then topping it off by getting the evil wizard to cast multiple [i]wish[/i] spells on his behalf. Pretty soon, the evil wizard is a lot less powerful and the bard has an extra +5 to an ability score to make the next attempt at this trick even easier. PLAYER: Wow! I have enough exp for 21st level! HONG: Huh? PLAYER: Yep! I did it! After all these years of hoping and playing I finally achived a milestone in D&D! HONG: Your character dies instantly of a heart attack and decomposes slowly in the rain. You can't be raised because a wandering green slime eats you, gains a level of evil cleric and turns you into an undead goo. PLAYER: Dang. And I doubt the game will go to 40. I think it's far more likely that they'll split up the levels as an option. So you'll have level 1, 1.1, 1.2, etc. This will be done with an eye for MMORPGs. Only sensible as PnP is becoming a testing ground for computer games in the same way comic books are becoming a testing ground for movies. [/QUOTE]
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