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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kigmatzomat" data-source="post: 1720936" data-attributes="member: 9254">I've ran several the ELH at several different levels in one-shots.  The thing about it is that it has a series of plateaus that are not evident.  Non-epic does the same every other level (figher feats, rogue sneak attack, caster spells, etc), but the ELH does it every 5-10 levels.  CRs for non-standard groups get difficult to calculate because you might be on the high or low side of the plateaus.  Magic is a little wonky in ELH-land.  Not bad, per se, but not great.  Until about level 30+, epic spells are worthless compared to epic metamagic feats and epic spell slots.  Targets saves increase while save DCs freeze.  After a certain point, everything makes every save except on a 2, and SR becomes maddeningly common.  Expect lots of save-or-die spells and a core group of no-SR spells to be the foundation of all casters. (I was fond of item'ed adamantite boulders that were hurled using telekinesis or dropped on things and Gate can bring in some meaty allies, at least in 3.0.)At level 17 the mage tended to end the fights with awe-inspiring blasts while the fighter was just there to slow the opponents down, the level 27 mage is there to harry the foes enough to negate fast heal/regen as the fighter deals mind-numbing amounts of damage.  The mage stays functional because he can ding a dozen foes for 20hps each while the fighter inflicts 200+ on one target.  That and defeating a lot of epic foes breaks down to flying.  Look, a dozen uber-hounds, each stronger than Cerebrus.  Why don't we just fly for a while and drop rocks on them, hmmm?  In the 30s the spellcraft gets high enough to consider making a useful epic spell, though they really amount to no-save versions of old standards until you get to another couple dozen levels.  I haven't played enough in the 40+ range to know how well those epic spells balance vs. the other epic characters.</blockquote>

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