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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LeifVignirsson" data-source="post: 1721084" data-attributes="member: 10833">I voted the second... Not a total waste, but not good enough for my snobbish standards (WotC rarely is these days)I was excited when I first picked it up, keeping in mind that I had a few "Epic" characters that needed to be converted from 2E to 3E.  I was like a little kid with a new toy (oh, mommy!  I want that toy!) but when I started kicking around the rules and whatnot, I was less than thrilled.Of course, I did what any self respecting DM/PC would do when faced with a crappy book... I modded the hell out of the rules so that way it made sense.  Sure, I still use some of the rules itself but really... There is a way to work around it all.As a PC, I have a level 35 Dragon Disicple (and then six levels of junk), so I wanted to at least expand my character out to that level.  Of course, I also kept the traditional 3.0 DDs in mind when extending it and so did my DM.  Now, my Grundy is a Gargantuan White Dragon who is afraid to come out of his cave because there are other, more epic level creatures out there that will eat him... See?  It all balances in the end  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>