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<blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 1721784" data-attributes="member: 11697"><p>Well I was wishy-washy on the book when I first bought it (Thank you buy.com, even if it took over two months to ship), and my opinion has decreased a bit since my campaign has reached into [booming voice]EPIC[/booming voice] levels since around the turn of the year. Having seen the rules in the book used in play I've noticed several things:</p><p></p><p>1) people who multiclass in core classes or more than 1 PrC get screwed</p><p>2) As others have noted, the feats vary wildly in terms of 'bang for the buck', some are no better than non epic feats, while others are monstrously powerful by themselves, or in combination w/ others.</p><p></p><p>The book can be a power gamers wet dream, though it needn't be. My group hasn't gone down that dark and doomed path, but I've personally found that you're less prone to such abuses IMHO when you've worked a character up past level 21 from an earlier level, rather than being handed 50 levels and told to have fun (Of which such things, and even worse, draws my ire and unabashed amusement and scorn on the WotC boards).</p><p></p><p>The saving grace for the book was the monsters, some of which are just cool. The book, in that section alone, avoids the "Curse of Andy Collins" as my players have called it, which in their words makes their reaction for a WotC book go from "Huzzah!" to "Kazaa!". Though I don't really share their opinion, he, like any game designer, has had some good work and some klunkers alike, though I don't personally care for some of his statements on planar things (see the Planar Handbook Chat, just not the edited WotC version, go for the original transcript). I found him to be nice in person at GenCon.</p><p></p><p>Edit: Union blows goats. Or perhaps it blows half mercane fiendish dire goats of legend w/ EPIC levels of cleric. It was created in a vacuum for all I can see. It was a pale attempt to recreate a quasi Sigil without going into Sigil and its associated flavor. [joking]Whoever was responsible for this atrocity deserves to fight me in a dark alley and have it videotaped for them to watch on their birthday for the rest of their life for the savage mocking and beating they richly deserve.[/joking]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Shemeska, post: 1721784, member: 11697"] Well I was wishy-washy on the book when I first bought it (Thank you buy.com, even if it took over two months to ship), and my opinion has decreased a bit since my campaign has reached into [booming voice]EPIC[/booming voice] levels since around the turn of the year. Having seen the rules in the book used in play I've noticed several things: 1) people who multiclass in core classes or more than 1 PrC get screwed 2) As others have noted, the feats vary wildly in terms of 'bang for the buck', some are no better than non epic feats, while others are monstrously powerful by themselves, or in combination w/ others. The book can be a power gamers wet dream, though it needn't be. My group hasn't gone down that dark and doomed path, but I've personally found that you're less prone to such abuses IMHO when you've worked a character up past level 21 from an earlier level, rather than being handed 50 levels and told to have fun (Of which such things, and even worse, draws my ire and unabashed amusement and scorn on the WotC boards). The saving grace for the book was the monsters, some of which are just cool. The book, in that section alone, avoids the "Curse of Andy Collins" as my players have called it, which in their words makes their reaction for a WotC book go from "Huzzah!" to "Kazaa!". Though I don't really share their opinion, he, like any game designer, has had some good work and some klunkers alike, though I don't personally care for some of his statements on planar things (see the Planar Handbook Chat, just not the edited WotC version, go for the original transcript). I found him to be nice in person at GenCon. Edit: Union blows goats. Or perhaps it blows half mercane fiendish dire goats of legend w/ EPIC levels of cleric. It was created in a vacuum for all I can see. It was a pale attempt to recreate a quasi Sigil without going into Sigil and its associated flavor. [joking]Whoever was responsible for this atrocity deserves to fight me in a dark alley and have it videotaped for them to watch on their birthday for the rest of their life for the savage mocking and beating they richly deserve.[/joking] [/QUOTE]
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